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Ikke bestill model Y før Tesla setter ned prisen

Startet av Dieselgubben, fredag 01. januar 2021, klokken 12:31

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Myrvang

Samme tanke vi hadde. Testet ID4, Enyaq, MG og E-tron. Så testet vi en TM3 for moroskyld, for liten bil for oss med 3 barn, men ble veldig positivt overrasket. Som fører styrte jeg alt på skjermen uten problemer, som passasjer i Audien fant jeg ikke ut hvordan jeg la inn destinasjon på navien...tror det var en bug, for fikk ikke skrevet inn adresse, bare valgt POI, men dog. La inn reservasjon på TMY da vi kom hjem og dagen etter sto det i avisen at leveringene starter i august.

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Jambo

#391
Sitat fra: Otkristo på søndag 01. august 2021, klokken 20:24
Sitat fra: Grenadier på søndag 01. august 2021, klokken 20:02
Tilbake til trådens opprinnelige spørsmålsstilling:

Tror dere at TMY skal ned i pris når de har fått solgt unna forhåndsbestillingene? Ref prisutviklingen på TM3.

Nå rauser det jo på med modeller fra alle konkurrenter, og ikke minst kommer de (andre) kina-bilene.

Ka dokker trur om prisen på Y framover?
Jeg tror heller du vil se mange ID4, Enyaq og Ioniq5 rase i pris på finn.no.
Spesielt alle de som har vært på bilferie og lei ladekaos langs veiene.
Y vil nok holde seg i pris en god stund fremover.
Tipper mange hopper på en Model Y når de endelig får prøvekjørt og sett den på ekte.
Ser ikke helt logikken her. De fleste har Ikke bruk for hurtiglader utenom i ferien. Om de skulle få behov for det ellers i året, er det stor sannsynlighet for at det ikke er kø. Ingen grunn for å hoppe over på Model Y pga. opplevelser i ferien når man kan fortsette å lade hjemme med sin ID4/Ioniq5/Enyaq, f.eks.
Sitat fra: Rosstopher på søndag 01. august 2021, klokken 21:01
Model Y er jo ikke dyrere enn konkurrentene i dag, fortsatt at man skal ha lang rekkevidde, firehjulstrekk og med utstyr. Jeg trur prisen skal ned på sikt, men ikke i år. De selger nok alt de klarer å produsere i år og godt ut i neste år.
Dyrere, joda, det er den vel. Mange argumenterer med at den inkluderer mye utstyr, men på andre tilsvarende modeller med firehjulstrekk osv. som f.eks. ID4 GTX kan man la være å kjøpe en del utstyr om man ikke trenger det og slik spare penger. 80k kr i mitt tilfelle i forhold til Model Y til prisen jeg kan bestille den til, mot GTX slik jeg har bestilt den. Og da får jeg også en del utstyr som Model Y ikke har, som oppvarmet frontrute og 360 kamera. Og jeg har vurdert Model Y seriøst, var bestemt på den da den ble lansert, men fant nå da jeg skulle bestille ny bil, og andre biler var lansert i mellomtiden, at 80k kr for 1,1 sek raskere 0-100 tid og kun 30 km lengre WLTP rekkevidde ikke var verdt det for meg. Sier ikke at du ikke får noe for de ekstra pengene, men jeg er sikkert ikke alene om mine vurderinger.

Redigert: Glemte min vurdering angående topic: Jeg antar at Model Y-prisen for tiden har ligget høyt lenge fordi tilgangen på biler til Norge har vært svært dårlig, eller som vi alle vet ikke-eksisterende, mens det sannsynligvis er svært mange reservasjoner som ligger inne fra lanseringstidene og før prisene ble skrudd i været. Høye priser altså for å hindre for mange nye reservasjoner når de uansett ikke kunne levere, det gir bare dårlig opplevelse for kunder. Jeg antar videre at prisene på nye Model Y vil rase med 60k-100k i løpet av 12-18 måneder når de har klart å ta igjen ordrekøen. Jeg kan ta feil, men det gjør sannsynligvis også mange andre i denne tråden :D Uansett har vel Tesla for vane å la gamle bestillinger få nye priser dersom de nye er lavere, så ikke sikkert så mange vil betale den prisen vi ser på nettsiden nå.

ELTesla

#392
Sitat fra: Grenadier på søndag 01. august 2021, klokken 20:02
Tilbake til trådens opprinnelige spørsmålsstilling:

Tror dere at TMY skal ned i pris når de har fått solgt unna forhåndsbestillingene? Ref prisutviklingen på TM3.

Nå rauser det jo på med modeller fra alle konkurrenter, og ikke minst kommer de (andre) kina-bilene.

Ka dokker trur om prisen på Y framover?

Sliter med de samme tankene selv. Tesla er nok det selskapet der du må passe deg mest for hvilket tidspunkt du skal velge å kjøpe på. Selvfølgelig er det andre som justerer også, men Tesla er mest hissig. De er veldig våken på situasjonen og opererer først med lav pris for å fylle opp ordrebøkene, så justerer de opp for å hente profitt. Senere justerer de ned for å fylle produksjonen igjen.

I tillegg så tilbyr de gjerne gratis vinterhjul og perioder med superlading ved kvartalsslutt for å kvartalsoptimalisere. Jeg føler prisen er høy nå og den skal ned. Har bestemt meg for at det blir ikke aktuelt å legge inn bestilling nå.

geear

Gratis vinterhjul? Som kompensasjon for noe annet, ja, men kan aldri huske å ha hørt om noen kampanje med gratis vinterhjul hos Tesla?

ELTesla

#394
Var litt utydelig der ser jeg.

Det er riktig som du skriver. Vinterhjul har kun blitt tildelt på nye ubrukte utstillingsbiler eller uavhentede biler som jeg er kjent med.
Selgere kan ikke tildele rabatt/utstyr på nye ordre.

Jeronan

#395
It's not all about just price. It's also about the whole experience with driving, fast charging. App experience. Etc.

We did a test drive of the VW ID.4 GTX last friday and end up ordering a Model Y the day after.

1. Price difference with specced VW ID.4 GTX compared to our Model Y order with Basic AP is just around 40k NOK.

2. Delivery time for VW ID.4 GTX is now Q1 2022, which means a possible price increase due to MVA. It also means we have to drive our current Tesla Model S 6 months longer and possible push it over 100k KM and get at least an extra 50k NOK deprecation on trade-in/resell value. Which would decimate any price difference currently between VW ID.4 GTX and Model Y.

3. VW ID software in the car feels really outdated/non-intuitive with terrible and unreliable app experience. It's the same with our current BMW i3, which my wife drives to work daily. We have this car for over 4 years now and went through 3 different BMW connect apps and it's still garbage and unreliable. Just shows the traditional car manufacturers are still catching up and struggling with software development.
The Tesla App just works and is reliable. Over a period of 3 and half years with our Model S we had hardly any issues or outages with the app.

4. Long trips and Fast charging. We have been to Nederland, Danmark, Sweden several times and go to Vestlandet several times a year and it's just an awesome experience with fast charging with zero queues, no headaches with dongles and dozen different Operator apps. No issue with Charging stations out of order ( LadeMer looking at you ) and stressing to find another location nearby where there is one that works.
We experienced this ourselves this summer in Stadlandet/Vestkap (where there is no Tesla SuC nearby) and in both Selje and Leikanger the LadeMer Fast charging station was out of order, so we were forced to charge for 2 hours on the slow AC station. There were several other people with a rental Mercedes EQ-C and Audi e-Tron's and they all complained how horrible the charge experience was for them this summer and said never again and would rent/buy a Tesla next time or just a fossil car instead.
Even in June when we were in Trysil it was the same garbage with LadeMer there too. Only 2 stations, one was out of order for a week (they couldn't find an electrician to drive over there to fix it said support (no kidding)) and the other one constantly stopped charging. So people were struggling there.  Again we end up having to charge for 2 hours on an AC charge station instead. Luckily Trysil at least gets a Tesla SuC later this year finally.

I know Elon Musk says Tesla is going to open SuC's for all cars, possibly later this year. But Elon Musk being Elon Musk. Take it with a grain of salt, as it will be much longer before it really does happen and how it will end up working. Currently the Tesla SuC communicates directly with your Tesla, so they will have to solve this for non-Tesla cars. So it probably takes some time with development and testing, before it gets rolled out. Then most cars have the charge port on different location as Tesla, so will be problematic in a lot of SuC's like the one in Eidsvoll Verk.
So in the end, it will still be much easier and painless with a Tesla, since the car is connected to your account including payment info, so it will still be a seamless easy experience.

5. The VW ID.4 / GTX has shown to be very inefficient with highway driving ( same with the new Ioniq 5), which will also most likely negatively affect range in winter time. Most likely culprit is the stupid huge grill on the front of the ID.4. You would have thought VW would have taken lesson from the Jaguar I-Pace WLTP range debacle. /shrug.
The extra 95 km WLTP range of the Model Y can make a huge difference during winter time and highway driving into Europe, giving you more options like avoiding busy SuC's in peak periods etc.

We personally, we really wanted to like the ID.4 GTX as it's a really nice car (exact same size as Model Y), but VW just isn't there yet with software and App experience. Next to the uncertainties with fast charging on long trips, like into Europe, etc.
Hyundai is also disappointing with the new Ioniq 5. They did extremely well with energy efficiency on the regular Ioniq and Kona.

Each person has different budget, different strokes and desires. For us the Model Y was still the right choice at this moment, so we went for it.
In the end though. If money is a real concern for you, then never buy a new car! You already loose a lot of money the day you drive it out of the dealer.
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Jambo

Jeronan, WLTP difference VW ID4 GTX vs. Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is only 30 km, 475 km vs. 505 km. I gather your opinion is that Tesla can charge whatever they like, because money doesn't matter.

Jeronan

#397
Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:30
Jeronan, WLTP difference VW ID4 GTX vs. Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is only 30 km, 475 km vs. 505 km. I gather your opinion is that Tesla can charge whatever they like, because money doesn't matter.

Model Y WLTP is 545 km. The EU site of Tesla has not been updated yet with WLTP numbers for Model Y (its puzzling as to why).  It says 505 km est. not WLTP like with Model 3, S, X. osv. In Asia some countries use same WLTP as Europe and there its updated with 545 km WLTP.

Price is subjective. Tesla can indeed charge whatever they like. They base their prices on current market and competition like any other manufacturer does.

Also, the Norske Kroner was much stronger than today when people could pre-order the Model Y for 494k NOK back in 2019.
Valuta and prices fluctuate all the time.
For me right now, I am getting almost the same trade-in offer for my Model S today as I got back in May 2019 (only 10k NOK less). Yet our Model S has over 20k KM more on the counter and closing in to the 100k KM marker.  So the price fluctuations go both ways.
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Otkristo

Sitat fra: Jeronan på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 13:38
It's not all about just price. It's also about the whole experience with driving, fast charging. App experience. Etc.

We did a test drive of the VW ID.4 GTX last friday and end up ordering a Model Y the day after.

1. Price difference with specced VW ID.4 GTX compared to our Model Y order with Basic AP is just around 40k NOK.

2. Delivery time for VW ID.4 GTX is now Q1 2022, which means a possible price increase due to MVA. It also means we have to drive our current Tesla Model S 6 months longer and possible push it over 100k KM and get at least an extra 50k NOK deprecation on trade-in/resell value. Which would decimate any price difference currently between VW ID.4 GTX and Model Y.

3. VW ID software in the car feels really outdated/non-intuitive with terrible and unreliable app experience. It's the same with our current BMW i3, which my wife drives to work daily. We have this car for over 4 years now and went through 3 different BMW connect apps and it's still garbage and unreliable. Just shows the traditional car manufacturers are still catching up and struggling with software development.
The Tesla App just works and is reliable. Over a period of 3 and half years with our Model S we had hardly any issues or outages with the app.

4. Long trips and Fast charging. We have been to Nederland, Danmark, Sweden several times and go to Vestlandet several times a year and it's just an awesome experience with fast charging with zero queues, no headaches with dongles and dozen different Operator apps. No issue with Charging stations out of order ( LadeMer looking at you ) and stressing to find another location nearby where there is one that works.
We experienced this ourselves this summer in Stadlandet/Vestkap (where there is no Tesla SuC nearby) and in both Selje and Leikanger the LadeMer Fast charging station was out of order, so we were forced to charge for 2 hours on the slow AC station. There were several other people with a rental Mercedes EQ-C and Audi e-Tron's and they all complained how horrible the charge experience was for them this summer and said never again and would rent/buy a Tesla next time or just a fossil car instead.
Even in June when we were in Trysil it was the same garbage with LadeMer there too. Only 2 stations, one was out of order for a week (they couldn't find an electrician to drive over there to fix it said support (no kidding)) and the other one constantly stopped charging. So people were struggling there.  Again we end up having to charge for 2 hours on an AC charge station instead. Luckily Trysil at least gets a Tesla SuC later this year finally.

I know Elon Musk says Tesla is going to open SuC's for all cars, possibly later this year. But Elon Musk being Elon Musk. Take it with a grain of salt, as it will be much longer before it really does happen and how it will end up working. Currently the Tesla SuC communicates directly with your Tesla, so they will have to solve this for non-Tesla cars. So it probably takes some time with development and testing, before it gets rolled out. Then most cars have the charge port on different location as Tesla, so will be problematic in a lot of SuC's like the one in Eidsvoll Verk.
So in the end, it will still be much easier and painless with a Tesla, since the car is connected to your account including payment info, so it will still be a seamless easy experience.

5. The VW ID.4 / GTX has shown to be very inefficient with highway driving ( same with the new Ioniq 5), which will also most likely negatively affect range in winter time. Most likely culprit is the stupid huge grill on the front of the ID.4. You would have thought VW would have taken lesson from the Jaguar I-Pace WLTP range debacle. /shrug.
The extra 95 km WLTP range of the Model Y can make a huge difference during winter time and highway driving into Europe, giving you more options like avoiding busy SuC's in peak periods etc.

We personally, we really wanted to like the ID.4 GTX as it's a really nice car (exact same size as Model Y), but VW just isn't there yet with software and App experience. Next to the uncertainties with fast charging on long trips, like into Europe, etc.
Hyundai is also disappointing with the new Ioniq 5. They did extremely well with energy efficiency on the regular Ioniq and Kona.

Each person has different budget, different strokes and desires. For us the Model Y was still the right choice at this moment, so we went for it.
In the end though. If money is a real concern for you, then never buy a new car! You already loose a lot of money the day you drive it out of the dealer.
Totally agree👍🏻

Jambo

Sitat fra: Jeronan på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:36
Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:30
Jeronan, WLTP difference VW ID4 GTX vs. Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is only 30 km, 475 km vs. 505 km. I gather your opinion is that Tesla can charge whatever they like, because money doesn't matter.

Model Y WLTP is 545 km.
I cannot find this anywhere with google?

Jeronan

#400
Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:52
Sitat fra: Jeronan på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:36
Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:30
Jeronan, WLTP difference VW ID4 GTX vs. Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is only 30 km, 475 km vs. 505 km. I gather your opinion is that Tesla can charge whatever they like, because money doesn't matter.

Model Y WLTP is 545 km.
I cannot find this anywhere with google?

Slight correction. It's 542 KM WLTP. :)

https://www.tesla.com/en_hk/modely?redirect=no

If this link doesn't work. Go to the Model Y page and switch to Hong Kong english. Hong Kong uses same WLTP as EU.

So yeah. It's a bit puzzling as to why Tesla Europe hasn't updated the Model Y page yet with WLTP range.
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Jambo

Thanks. That of course gives Model Y more value, if that will be the final number on Model Y delivered here.

Jeronan

Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 16:01
Thanks. That of course gives Model Y more value, if that will be the final number on Model Y delivered here.

Hong Kong gets the same Model Y delivered from Shanghai factory as we do now. So it would not make any sense if the WLTP ends up being 505 km here as to 542 km in Hong Kong.
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Diravi

Sitat fra: Jeronan på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:57
Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:52
Sitat fra: Jeronan på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:36
Sitat fra: Jambo på mandag 02. august 2021, klokken 15:30
Jeronan, WLTP difference VW ID4 GTX vs. Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD is only 30 km, 475 km vs. 505 km. I gather your opinion is that Tesla can charge whatever they like, because money doesn't matter.

Model Y WLTP is 545 km.
I cannot find this anywhere with google?

Slight correction. It's 542 KM WLTP. :)

https://www.tesla.com/en_hk/modely?redirect=no

If this link doesn't work. Go to the Model Y page and switch to Hong Kong english. Hong Kong uses same WLTP as EU.

So yeah. It's a bit puzzling as to why Tesla Europe hasn't updated the Model Y page yet with WLTP range.

Fascinerende: Vekten er også litt lavere - 1981 mot 2003 kg. Og rekkevidde er oppgitt med 20» hjul. Er dette med vekten bare vilkårlig, eller er det uttrykk for de gradvise endringene som Tesla gjør på alle bilene sine, og som formodentlig ikke er oppdatert på norsk nettside enda? Model S ble jo lettere etter hvert også.
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