Not to trivialize your troubles but many of these are red herring error messages probably more related to low charge on the 12V battery - for which there is an easy, although tedious workaround (driving or turning the car on and leaving it for 4 hours with a 25kg+ weight on the seat to charge the 12v). Turning off keyless access and putting the car offline when parked helps some with nighttime 12v parasitic drain.

Some of the 12V issues experienced by people are exacerbated by covid lockdown and driving relatively rarely (and not charging the 12V as much as it should as a result). Since I've ensured my 12V battery is topped up, I never see the standard set of errors and warnings any more.

There is also a published easy workaround for the misting bug - turn off the air conditioner in the climate controls when temperatures are below 10C.

Others mentioned are trivial bugs that are easily worked around usually by turning off ACC/automatic speed adjustment (if you live in areas where the map data is inaccurate) and just restart the infotainment screen if it hangs or otherwise behaves weirdly. It may also help to wait a few minutes for the car to start up before trying to do anything with the infotainment system or drive.


Sure, these are somewhat annoying coping strategies, but they usually help, and it's a price we pay to have the car early.

VW couldn't have realized how bad these bugs were to put the cars into the hands of people that are either not technically literate enough to work around them or who are but just did not want to live with unpredictability. It doesn't help that some dealers seem to be as clueless as the people lumbered with the cars they had no idea were going to be worrying them so much - that's as much VW's fault for not ensuring the dealers are educated enough with the issues to manage them properly.

For me, the bugs were worth it to get the car early and I would do it again. But I'm a tech guy that's used to messing around with "stuff" and also the alternative was to keep my very old Golf another 6 months and pay a considerable amount of money to keep it on the road.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I totally understand that many people have been effectively enrolled into beta testing the car without their consent and that really was not something VW should have done. It should have been full disclosure so that people were at least aware of the risks - not a "Apple carplay and AR HUD is missing, do you accept?" agreement and I think this will come back and bite VW hard.

Having said that, the hysteria I see around, fueled partly by some hyperbolic and inaccurate press reporting is just unnecessary. The vast majority of error messages people see are just that, messages that mean nothing, and they can be safely ignored so people should stop stressing, make sure their 12V is charged and wait for the V2.1 software update where hopefully the vast majority of the issues will go away.

Sitat fra: OhmPaPa på ons 09. sep 2020, kl. 14:54
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/elektroauto/vw-id-3-qualitaetsprobleme-test-verarbeitung-elektronik/

På tysk, men oversatte innledningen:

VW ID.3 med problemer i den første testen
Kjører bra, roter med byggekvalitet og elektronikk

Fra og med Golf IV (1997) setter VW kvalitetsstandarder. ID.3 klarte ikke å bygge videre på denne tradisjonen i testen av auto motor und sport. Det er et stort behov for forbedring innen byggekvalitet og elektronikk.

Republished old review based off of an old pre production test car written by a PR guy (https://www.linkedin.com/in/axel-m%C3%B6rer-funk-608520ab/?originalSubdomain=en and http://www.spress-medien.de/ ). One wonders why this was published again now so close to the official delivery date when reviews of more recent builds have been mostly positive.

I would recommend to ignore this one and go elsewhere for information - even the less positive recent reviews are better than this click bait as at least they are reviewing more recent builds.

Sitat fra: Elkjell på man 10. aug 2020, kl. 15:54
Da får vi vente å se. Om det er en egen greie bør det kunne kjøpes som oppdatering , det er vel bare software.

No, requires additional sensors apparently.

Sitat fra: Elkjell på man 10. aug 2020, kl. 15:41
Er dette en egen pakke eller kombinasjonen lane assist og adaptiv cruise ?

A little of everything and in addition Travel Assist. Travel Assist is included in the 1st Max, fast lane Tech and fast lane Max (a part of the assistance plus package). To be honest, I'm not sure how much Travel Assist adds to the entire system of assist packages as seen in the Elbil24 video.

"Overrasker med markedets beste selvkjøringssystem"

https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/overrasker-med-markedets-beste-selvkjoringssystem/72728293?fbclid=IwAR0kBF6Yso3l9aRRtB4OwdCEcvmU7RrAvRpv6qB6dOtOE8lEdbocnVUdCyA

Sitat fra: elektro på fre 10. jul 2020, kl. 11:19
Er vel 20-tommers felger dette?

No, these are the 19".

Sitat fra: tornaldo på søn 21. jun 2020, kl. 09:32

Videre forskutterer du både kvalitet på bil, selvkjøring (?) og ladenettverk, og bruker det som argumenter for ID3, selv om vi faktisk ikke aner noen ting om hvor bra det leveres på disse områdene. Før bilen kommer ut på markedet, er egentlig dette bare synsing fra din side, samtidig som du sammenligner med harde fakta og reelle erfaringer fra f.eks Tesla.

Du virker å se svært subjektiv på dette, og ekstremt opptatt av å forsvare ditt valg for enhver pris. Men klart, det er selvfølgelig lov.

VW has a very good set of driving assist features already which the ID.3 will get - even side radar so it doesn't, you know, drive into garage walls.

And yes, I admit that I am defending my choice of purchase but I have yet to see any arguments that detract from my choice. If the model 3 offered me more for my use case I would buy it, of course I would. But it really doesn't and certainly not at this price point.

Sitat fra: Øyvind.h på fre 19. jun 2020, kl. 18:32
4wd? Ytelser? Ladenettverk? Infotainment? Hengerfeste og taklast? Mye som er bedre på Model 3. Å hevde en sitter på fakta ift hvilken som er best er bare komisk. De leverer på forskjellige områder.

Jeg tror ID3 blir en bra bil i sitt segment. Men kunne aldri hatt den selv som familiebil fordi den hverken har taklast eller hengerfeste. 4wd kreves også.

No 4WD on the SR+ and AWD M3 is even more expensive again. If you want to talk about options without limits on cost then there are far better ones than the M3 for hauling things around.

But as mentioned previously - if you need to tow, great, get a M3. I don't and most others don't either.

Supercharger network will eventually be overtaken you Ionity - all the big auto manufacturers are partners;  VAG, Mercedes, BMW, Ford etc so how could it not? And Partner rates mean it will be far cheaper for cars from those than Tesla to charge at Ionity. Not that I care - if I need to charge outside my house, I will go to Circle K which is close and there's a few around.

I've a family and a Golf currently - never had to put any rails on the top for "family" things. But I need more space I can get the rear box that fits on the bike hitch of the ID.3

Nor have I needed AWD but if I did I can think of several others that would be better than a M3 for AWD and for towing stuff around.

Sitat fra: hELgenen på fre 19. jun 2020, kl. 16:58
Ikke er jeg Tesla fan og lakken og panelene er definitivt ikke noe å skryte av. Men TM3 er helt klart mer bil for pengene enn ID.3. ID.3 i høyeste utstyrsversjon er ekstremt overpriset. De som kjøper denne vil oppleve et massivt verdifall i kroner sammenlignet med de to billigere variantene. Å slenge på 20" hjul på en slik liten bil er rett og slett idiotisk. Du får mer støy,dyrere vedlikehold og trolig dårligere komfort. Nei,ID.3 i den dyreste konfigurasjonen er å kaste penger rett ut av vinduet. Det er i alle fall min personlige mening.

Again, an opinion that contradict the facts - in fact, just because you think it's clearly more of a car doesn't make it so.

On the Max there is an acoustic windscreen fitted to cut down on noise - something else the Tesla doesn't have. And yes, 20" are extreme but perhaps we should all be driving on 15" rims for noise and comfort even those in Tesla's, am I right?

If the ID.3 1st Max is overpriced, I would say the Tesla model 3 is more so - at least the 1st is a limited edition with only 30,000 produced worldwide, the Max being a small fraction of that, so I think it'll hold its value just fine compared to a common, low end Tesla model 3 SR+. I mean, the model 3 doesn't even have a HUD, massage seats, heat pump, decent wipers, intelligent led headlights, car2x, does it even have side radar?, hatchback, paint, proper service network ... I really should go through the options and make a full list.
But okay, the model 3 can tow stuff.

So, why is it more car for the money again?

Sitat fra: Elkjell på søn 12. jan 2020, kl. 16:28
Id3 1st kommer med tre forskjellige felgstørrelser,  18 , 19 og 20"
Vil anta størrelsen  vil påvirke rekkevidden , noen som vet noe om dette ?

The WLTP is;
424km ID.3 1st
419km ID.3 1st Plus
409km ID.3 1st Max

Difference is probably due to the standard wheel sizes, 18", 19" and 20" respectively, and perhaps weight as the Max is carrying a big glass roof.

If you need the source join the Facebook VW Id.3 Prebookers Europe group and it's in the files section called ID_3_first.pdf. I tried to upload it here but it on't let me.

Sitat fra: RJK på fre 19. jun 2020, kl. 06:25

Men når en VW ID3 MAX kommer ut ca likt i pris med en TM3 og bare litt billigere enn en TMY, så skjønner ihvertfall ikke jeg hvorfor folk velger en ID3, ut fra det jeg har sett av bilder. Legg til det med SC-nettet, så er ihvertfall ikke jeg i tvil.

Many people say it, but saying it many times doesn't make it any more true, not in Norway anyway.

Here's the proof of that;

My VW ID.3 1st Max in metallic grey (Manga) with 20" wheels costs approx 468,000kr (with hook for bike carrying which is what I want a hook for), with 18" winter wheels with Nokian tires, Free consumable services for 3 years worth 10,000kr and 2000kwh of free juice for a year.

The closest Tesla model 3 is the SR+ in metallic grey (midnight silver) with only 19" wheels and 18" winter wheels with Nokian tires and a tow hitch. And that is 492,342kr

To be fair, you should probably add FSD to the Tesla as the ID.3 has new tech like Car2x, which the Tesla doesn't have. So that takes it to 542,342kr. Don't take my word for it - go to Tesla and price it up on the configurator yourself.

So, the model 3 is anywhere between 24,000kr to 74,000kr more expensive and remember, this is without 2000kwh of free juice, no free servicing for 3 years, no HUD (especially no HUD with AR rather than the poor man's crappy HUD in the Kia), no massaging seats , no matrix LED headlights with intelligent masking, no hatch, good chance of poor paintwork, panel gaps, windscreen wipers that suck, and service centers that are world renowned for being awful.

So you see, unless you have to tow a trailer (you can get a rear box that fits on the ID.3 hitch so a roof box is not that necessary), it's obvious the ID.3 1st is a superior car.

Apologies for the English - feel free to reply in Norwegian if you want to - or ignore me too, that's okay.

I ordered my Max 1st yesterday and I am very pleased. The price is of course more than I had hoped for - the covid-19 crash of the kroner did not help and my expectations of the anticipated price were probably a little unrealistic too. I am also disappointed that the speaker system is not as promised originally but I understand VW had supply chain constraints and had to make a decision - not everything in life goes to plan, and the difference was not a deal breaker for me. Same for the tow hitch - thinking back, I paid a *lot* of money to get a removable tow hitch on my ICE Golf 12 years ago, and in all that time I used it to tow 4 times. So the next time I need to take a big load I will go to IKEA, rent a van there for next to nothing and not have to relearn how to reverse with a trailer behind. I understand how these things would be a deal breaker for some, so it's good that there are options out there.

For those that complain about the price vs size of the ID.3 - I have to say, I never knew that cars were priced by m2 like apartments.

For those saying there are so many EVs out there which gives more for the price, I would challenge you to tell me what those cars are. Many are smaller. Many are much larger and many of those are much more expensive. Some are old tech. Some are "slightly" more expensive than the top Max trim of the ID.3, but some of those come with poor customer service, some with poor quality, are lacking features and only have dangerously fast 0-100, a slightly better range and a tow hitch as their advantages. Others still are vaporware which may or may not turn out to be great cars eventually - who knows? I am fairly sure they will not beat the ID.3 in terms of tech, quality and support for less money. Yes, in range, perhaps, yes, in performance, perhaps. But 400km on the ID.3 is enough for me and for most people, as is the 7.3s from 0-100 and 3.4s to 60 (honestly, I would hope the trend of putting hypercar-like performance in the hands of average drivers would end as it's forking dangerous!).

Like for like, I think you would be hard pressed to find anything challenging the form factor of ID.3 and the included high tech options - it's not perfect but I have given up waiting for the "perfect" EV. Of course, I understand that people have a different priorities, and for those there are different cars that cater to those. But let's be honest, when people say "it's too expensive for a small car" or "there are better cars" what people are actually saying is, "we were unrealistic hoping for all those very high tech features in something much cheaper" , and "this car doesn't suit my needs".

Sitat fra: elekTrond på tir 07. jan 2020, kl. 09:59
Det er vel ikke så mye mer å si om denne saken enn:

Obviously the guy is an idiot.

Excuse the English.

I was at Eventhallen in Oslo last Sunday and asked the price question of a VW rep so many are asking - I guess they are tired of it already. He told me they are aiming to price the ID.3 very aggressively and the Max would probably be priced at 360,000 NOK. I thought I misheard or he misunderstood my question so I asked if he really meant the ID.3 1st Max and he said yes.

I still have a difficult time believing that and I would expect 410,000 (which is the German price of 50k € minus VAT). Perhaps he heard 360k in relation to the Plus. 410K for the Max would then fit the +50k over the Plus that people have talked about.

I do not think the Max will be so much over the German prices - VAT as the spec is the same. The base and Plus have a heat pump as standard which it's not in Germany so it's understandable that those trims will be more expensive here.