Help (apologies for writing in English)

[Rozojc]

Hello. Sorry, I just recently moved to Norway, so my Norwegian right now is non existent.

I bought an EV just recently. I am thinking of buying a home also; we just saw something we really like, but, it does not have a charging station, and the real estate agent is being less than helpful in finding out if it would be possible later for me to get one...

Basically: it is a "tomannsbolig". It is a house that is horizontally divided, so in reality is one apartment downstairs (the one I am looking at) and one upstairs. Let's call this building A. There is also a building B, exactly the same as this one right next to it, and these two buildings share a line of covered "car ports". These car ports are next to Building B (so not immediately next to the house I am looking at). The shared car ports have regular electric outlets and lights, so there is electricity connected to them somehow...

Here is where (in my ingorant view) it gets tricky... no one seems to know where the electricity in the car ports comes from. Not the real estate agent, not the owner of the apartment we want to buy. They are clueless and are not very helpful...  I imagine the electricity has to be connected to some meter, I mean, surely someone is paying for it? But the real estate agent and seller do not know. To make things worse, both tell me that there is no "housing association" or similar here, there are no "shared costs" and no "shared property", so it is not like I can go and talk to the head of the board because there is no head of the board... There are about 20 meters between the apartment and where the garage is, and this distance crosses both through what would be my front yard, but also the one from my neighbors from building B...

I am completely new to the world of EVs, and new to Norway... all I really need at this point, is to know how feasible or not it would be to setup a charging station in these conditions. I imagine a power line might need to go from my home to the garage, I imagine that properly done would be underground? Again, I really dont know and accept any insights of feedback from you who know more than I do!
 

[TB]

Are there any EV parked in these car ports today? The electricity might come from an shared meter, or from one of the houses.

There is also possible each parking spot is connected to the corresponding house meter.

Someone would know. It is just to find the right person.

[Rozojc]

There are no EV currently. Actually, the seller told me there is one from the house right in front of these car poets and that this person outs out s cable literally through their window...

[Rosstopher]

You'll get the best answer by having an electrician visit. They can tell you where the electricity is coming from as well as how to best install a charging station and how much it'll cost.

[Rozojc]

Tha ks. I understand. It's just that this would imply having to ask permission to bring an electrician and paying who knows how much for looking at this, all while other people bid on the place

And that is assuming the seller allows me to do that and I can find an electrician willing to do this on short notice hehe

I don't know, I feel like it should be possible to get this done but might require neighbors ti agree or something?

[RJK]

I would suggest to take a picture of the electric fuse panel housing. Make sure to get a clear picture that shows the meter box and the fuses. And also a picture of fuse assignment scheme/list that should be on the inside of the door.

This would tell more of the electric experts in here whether the house has TN or IT net (and support for 3-phase charging), the size of the input power and whether there is enough capacity to add a house/EV charger box.

There should be no big problem for an electrician to run a cable from the house to the parking area/carport, either from going through the house (cheaper) or dig most of the cable along the outer wall.

And it doesn't really matter where the electricity for the carport comes from, as you may need to run a separate cable if its shared with the lights.

If there already excists a power outlet for engine heater (common in this cold place), it would of course be better if this is connected to the fuse panel housing already, as you may just have to change the power cable, but use the same cable housing, and of course add a ground fault protection if it's lacking now.

[Rozojc]

Thanks for this. I will try to get this to know more. There is another visning in Tuesday, so if I haven't gotten this before then, I will go to the visning in Tuesday just for this...

I do know the house is from 2011 and I don't think they have updated anything electric since then... nit sure if this tells you anything...

[TB]

To arrange changing would always be possible, it is just a question about cost.

The cost to arrange charging would probably be small compared with buying the house.

Study the documents for the house is important, so you know what you are buying. The house is horizontally divided, one apartment downstairs (the one I for sale) and one upstairs. Is there anything written about who is responsible for the roof?
Pay attention if the car park is part of the sale.

If these issues are ok, you like the house, the neighborhood, and the price is acceptable, then you make an offer to buy the house.
(Please note, bid offers in Norway are legally binding. There are penalties if a buyer makes an offer on a house that they cannot afford.)

If you win the highest bid then you would become a house owner and would start to find the best solution to the charging issue.

There might be cable conduit that would be possible to reuse. If a new cable trench is required, it would be an economic advantage for both you and your neighbors to do it together.
Changing with cable thru the window is not an approved solution. It might work fine for a while, until it does not work fine. The insurance company might reduce the compensation in case of an accident.

[Rozojc]

Thank you all for all the help. I really appreciate it!
I got the following information today from the current owner: "In the fuse box in the apartment, there is a separate 16 amp course for the garage/carport. So the electricity that is used there (as of today it is only the light in the sports stall) I pay on my electricity bill."

Again, I am really new to the whole EV world, but would this mean like it should be possible to use that existing 16 amp course that goes from the house to the carport to install a charging box in the car port?

Regarding the house as such: I have made my homework as much as possible; it seems like all is Ok, we like the place, neighborhood, etc, and would mostly be using own savings to buy it, so financially it seems like a sound choice.

The car spot is part of the sale, so it belongs to me, as I understand from the documents.

As for the roof, the real estate agent tells me it is responsibility of the owners of the building, in this case both downstairs and upstairs owners are responsible for the roof. Not sure what that means for me other than  I imagine we would need to share costs for roof maintainance?

Again thank you all. It is definitelly a good feeling to get so much useful information!

[sjokomelk]

Again, I am really new to the whole EV world, but would this mean like it should be possible to use that existing 16 amp course that goes from the house to the carport to install a charging box in the car port?

Yes. This circuit can most likely be used for EV charging as well. But you need an electrician to confirm this later. Worst case scenario you need to add a new circuit to the carport.

As for the roof, the real estate agent tells me it is responsibility of the owners of the building, in this case both downstairs and upstairs owners are responsible for the roof. Not sure what that means for me other than  I imagine we would need to share costs for roof maintenance?

If you look at the sales documents, does the house/plot say "Gårds/bruksnummer" and "Seksjonsnummer" as well? If both you and the upstairs neighbor share both Gårdsnummer and Bruksnummer, but have different Seksjonsnummer, you both own 50% of the building, and are mutually responsible for foundation, exterior walls and roof.

[Rozojc]

The only place where I see those words is in the Energy Report... so not sure... Again, I am running all through Google Translate...

I think all is here https://nextassets.eiendomsmegler1.no/document/MSEMBV/DB448503-4E54-4E65-9C6E-A888E7DF3444/3856086063019043

The info I received about both downstairs and upstairs being responsible for roof was just when I directly asked that question to the real estate agent...

[sjokomelk]

Yes. It says in the sales document that this is "seksjonert sameie". "Sectioned off shared ownership" would be a direct translation word-for-word. That means you both own 50/50 of the building itself, and have to share insurance and maintenance on the property. But you own the interior walls yourself, and have to have your own insurance for the interior and your items.

[Rozojc]

Good to know!
Insurance I was well aware of, but I did not know about roof, exterior walls, etc... I guess it makes sense and I imagine it is not a deal breaker, just something to take into consideration. I didn't see any mention on the sales thing about the state of the roof or similar... that I guess is now the question I have in mind. The real estate agent has not been particularly helpful (I think she is annoyed at the fact that I don't speak Norwegian, but well, I got here a month ago so...).

Anyway, thank you again, this is all super useful!

[RJK]

Again, I am really new to the whole EV world, but would this mean like it should be possible to use that existing 16 amp course that goes from the house to the carport to install a charging box in the car port?

Yes. This circuit can most likely be used for EV charging as well. But you need an electrician to confirm this later. Worst case scenario you need to add a new circuit to the carport.

As for the roof, the real estate agent tells me it is responsibility of the owners of the building, in this case both downstairs and upstairs owners are responsible for the roof. Not sure what that means for me other than  I imagine we would need to share costs for roof maintenance?

If you look at the sales documents, does the house/plot say "Gårds/bruksnummer" and "Seksjonsnummer" as well? If both you and the upstairs neighbor share both Gårdsnummer and Bruksnummer, but have different Seksjonsnummer, you both own 50% of the building, and are mutually responsible for foundation, exterior walls and roof.

Little bit of "coldwater" here...

As long as the carport isn't Free standing" but part of the main construction, it's not allowed to share power with other use, so you probably have to get another course for charging.

And probably, you also have a schuko outdoor connector that can be used for other equipment, or for "emergency charging" until you get the electrician to put up a EV-charger.

But luckily, you can probably pull the wires in the same piping. That would save you a bit of money. Maybee you just need a 6A course for the lights, as it isn't as demanding as the charger/car. Most people do get 16A, because they normally want to use electric powertools like a high pressure washer, power drill, electric saw etc.

[TB]

Are you a house owner now?