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Batteristørrelse og type på TMY fra Kina - hva vet vi om dette?

Startet av tornaldo, mandag 12. juli 2021, klokken 19:09

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jorgenask

Sitat fra: Rosstopher på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 17:32
Sitat fra: jorgenask på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 17:17
Det er vel ingen som har fått bekreftet at MTY03=77kWh og MTY07=82kWh ?

Absolutt ikke, derav disclaimeren min i dette innlegget:
Sitat fra: Rosstopher på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 12:40
NB: følgende er ren spekulasjon og ikke faktabasert



Jeg tenker MTY03 er 77kWh og MTY07 er 82kWh. Alle bilene som kom til Oslo i går er MTY03/77kWh. På de neste båtene kommer en blanding av 77 og 82kWh (batterilotteri). I Q4 kommer det kun MTY07/82kWh. Alle som har lav pris får lav rekkevidde. Noen uheldige kan ha dagens pris og lav rekkevidde, mens de fleste med dagens pris får lang rekkevidde.


Måtte bare sjekke  :D

Rosstopher

Sitat fra: Wean på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 17:22
Ser de på tyske forumet fikk opp MTY07 allerede i desember 2020 så da vil jeg tro det ikke har noe med batteri å gjøre da VIN og bil ble tildelt etterpå.

Kodene som begynner på MT betyr alltid forskjellige utgaver, altså LR har en annen kode enn SR, eller P, og LR AWD vil ha en annen kode enn LR RWD. Etter hvert som det kommer nye batterier kommer det også nye MT-koder. Siden alle bilene det er snakk om er LR AWD, er det jo nærliggende å tro at det er snakk om forskjellige batterier.
2021 Tesla Model Y LR
2016 Kia Soul

x 2016 Tesla Model S 90D
x 25+ fossilbiler

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Jeronan

Wasn't there somewhere a Hong Kong Model Y VIN going around somewhere?

Since that one has most certainly the new LG pack. So if it has the MTY07 code, then we might be onto something.
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Rosstopher

Sitat fra: Jeronan på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 18:22
Wasn't there somewhere a Hong Kong Model Y VIN going around somewhere?

Since that one has most certainly the new LG pack. So if it has the MTY07 code, then we might be onto something.

But you can't read option codes from the VIN.
2021 Tesla Model Y LR
2016 Kia Soul

x 2016 Tesla Model S 90D
x 25+ fossilbiler

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Jeronan

Sitat fra: Rosstopher på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 18:53
Sitat fra: Jeronan på lørdag 21. august 2021, klokken 18:22
Wasn't there somewhere a Hong Kong Model Y VIN going around somewhere?

Since that one has most certainly the new LG pack. So if it has the MTY07 code, then we might be onto something.

But you can't read option codes from the VIN.

Ah yes my bad.  ::)
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

tornaldo

Bare å saumfare Hong Kong forumet, og få de til å sjekke kildekoden!  ;)
Elbilhistorikken: 2015 TMS 70D -> 2017 TMS 75 -> 2022 TM3 RWD -> 2022 TMY LR -> 2023 TMY P

gutterhauk

VIN052, MTY 03, bestilt i Juli 2020. Betaler tilnærmet full pris, og har fått utlevering kommende torsdag.

Godt mulig, og veldig sannsynlig, at det er neste genrasjons batteripakke i de med MTY07 kode. Men i praksis vil dette maksimalt utgjøre noen få prosent bedre rekkevidde og ladehastighet, tror jeg.

Bilen er nok helt fantastisk uansett, og dette er  en naturlig del av det å være teslakunde vs kunde hos de fleste andre bilmerker. Tesla bedriver kontinuerlig oppgradering under produksjonen, omtrent fra batch til batch. I motsetning til andre produsenter som heller kjører på med en faceliftoppgradering etter 2-3 år i produksjon. Å kjøpe Tesla blir litt som å kjøpe TV. Det vil alltid være en litt oppdatert modell som kommer om noen måneder, enten en venter på ny batteriteknologi, 7 seter, bil fra ny Giga Factory Berlin osv. Skal du som kunde ha den optimale Model Y, eller annen Tesla model, vil du måtte vente mange år.
2023 Tesla Model Y P (nov 2022 - )
Ex. 2021 Tesla Model Y LR (aug. 2021 - nov 2022)
2017 Kia Soul EV Exclusive 30kwh (2017 - )
Ex. 2008 Audi A4 2.0TDI Quattro S-line (2015-2021)
Ex. 1995 Volvo 850 2,5 stv. (2013-2015)
Ex. 1997 VW Passat 1.9 TDI (2009-2012)

Rosstopher

Sitat fra: gutterhauk på søndag 22. august 2021, klokken 11:10
VIN052, MTY 03, bestilt i Juli 2020. Betaler tilnærmet full pris, og har fått utlevering kommende torsdag.

Flott. Meld gjerne fra om hva du har av oppgitt rekkevidde ved 100% etter du får bilen (med mindre alt dette tullet er oppklart innen torsdag).
2021 Tesla Model Y LR
2016 Kia Soul

x 2016 Tesla Model S 90D
x 25+ fossilbiler

Reservert Cybertruck

Jeronan

I am almost 100% certain that if there is going to be a battery lottery with the next ship of Model Y, that ones with the new 82kg pack will be software limited to give same WLTP as customers receiving their Model Y with 77kg pack.

If they don't do this, then you can bet that all hell will break loose in the media and consumer lawyers will have a field day.  ::)

I am pretty sure that Tesla would want to avoid this, without having to compensate people. At least to those that paid todays full price and got unlucky in the battery lottery.

Tesla always had such transitions before, but until now with a new battery pack they always introduced that in a new quarter together with updated WLTP on the site. Like they did with the 2021 Model 3 LR.

So, even though I could be happy myself with having MTY07, I am not convinced yet that this means I will get the new 82kWh battery pack.

A real posibility could be that MTY07 just means the production line was updated and ready for the new 82kWh packs, but that during actual production they only mounted 82kWh packs on Model Y's destined for Hong Kong and that the Europe bound Model Y still got the older 77kWh packs mounted.

Either way. If Tesla is "sneaky" and they removed battery stickers on the Model Y and software limit the 82kWh packs in Q3 to avoid lottery outrage. How are we ever going to find out?  ::)
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Rosstopher

I've asked you before why you believe this would be illegal. If every customer gets more than they ordered, how is Tesla breaking the law?

Also I don't see any reason why they would limit the packs. They have as far as I know never done anything like that except where the customer has requested it.
2021 Tesla Model Y LR
2016 Kia Soul

x 2016 Tesla Model S 90D
x 25+ fossilbiler

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Jeronan

Sitat fra: Rosstopher på søndag 22. august 2021, klokken 11:49
I've asked you before why you believe this would be illegal. If every customer gets more than they ordered, how is Tesla breaking the law?

Also I don't see any reason why they would limit the packs. They have as far as I know never done anything like that except where the customer has requested it.

It doesn't have to be illegal for this to become a problem for Tesla. Nothing is pure black and white.

I personally just see this as a situation Tesla would want to avoid. That is all.

Unless Tesla can guarantee that only people that paid the old price (over 70k NOK cheaper) get the 77kWh pack and everyone that pays today's full price will get the new 82kWh pack. That they could throw out a valid excuse.

I personally don't care to be honest, as the difference in range is practically neglible, as you never charge beyond 80-85% on long trips anyway. Especially with current fast charge curves.  ::)
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Rosstopher

Sitat fra: Jeronan på søndag 22. august 2021, klokken 11:53
It doesn't have to be illegal for this to become a problem for Tesla. Nothing is pure black and white.

Why would the lawyers have a field day over something that isn't illegal?

This (hypothetical) situation seems quite similar to when the WLTP-range was increased on Model 3 and some people who had already ordered got the 580(?) km they paid for, whereas others who had also ordered before the increase was announced got 614 km. Then like now there was a lot of talk on this forum, but I never heard about it in the media, and I don't think any lawyers had a field day.
2021 Tesla Model Y LR
2016 Kia Soul

x 2016 Tesla Model S 90D
x 25+ fossilbiler

Reservert Cybertruck

Handyman

Sitat fra: Jeronan på søndag 22. august 2021, klokken 11:45
If they don't do this, then you can bet that all hell will break loose in the media and consumer lawyers will have a field day.  ::)
Kan du med bakgrunn i norsk rettspraksis forklare hvorfor noen advokater skulle ta en slik sak?
Jeg kan vanskelig se at Tesla skal trenge å svare for det å gi noen kunder mer enn lovet, eller mer enn andre kunder.
Det å gi kunder mindre enn lovet (markedsført) er en helt annen sak.
RTFM: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual (Manual for alle modeller)

Jeronan

Because it has already been in the media and social media, with Tesla Europe giving a clear answer that everyone gets the same car this Q3 with WLTP 507km.

The Model 3 LR WLTP increase was done silently and not discovered by some customers until later.

This time with the European Model Y, together with Tesla Europe waiting till the last moment updating WLTP on EU sites, while Hong Kong had a WLTP of 542km, has let to a lot of media and social media attention and speculation.

So the situation is a bit different now compared to earlier this year.
Model Y - Sept 2021
Model S 75D - Sold
BMW i3 2017 - Feb 2017

Rosstopher

Sitat fra: Jeronan på søndag 22. august 2021, klokken 12:24
Because it has already been in the media and social media, with Tesla Europe giving a clear answer that everyone gets the same car this Q3 with WLTP 507km.

Please provide a source. I have not seen such a promise from them.

And you keep dodging the question: how is this illegal? Which law are they breaking by offering some customers more than they paid for and others much more than they paid for? Please either elaborate or stop posting the same thing over again like a broken record.
2021 Tesla Model Y LR
2016 Kia Soul

x 2016 Tesla Model S 90D
x 25+ fossilbiler

Reservert Cybertruck

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