Premium or No Premium...

[Tesley]

Ser ut til at Tesla da kan få en ny runde med problemer grunnet elendig kommunikasjon. Blir nesten pinlig.
Feil med nye bakseter er såvidt i gang, så kommer dette.

[geear]

1. De kaller det "Tre-posisjons, dynamiske LED-kurvelys for synlighet nattestid". Dette er selvfølgelig en språklig dårlig oversettelse, men kan veldig fort høres ut som de tre LEDene i hver hovedlykt som tenner ett og ett avhengig av rattutslag.
2. Det står IKKE at premiumpakken inkluderer adaptive lys.
3. Selger sa at lysfunksjonene som lå i premiumpakken var blitt standard.
4. I brukerhåndboka de har lagt med ordren min står funksjonen beskrevet som adaptive front lighting system (AFS), og det er ingen forbehold om at dette er ekstrautstyr og at min bil ikke har denne funksjonen. Jeg har heller ikke funnet noen annen svinge/kurvelys beskrevet.

Adaptive Front Lighting System
(AFS)
Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) justerer
frontlyset for å forbedre sikten under kjøring.
Elektriske sensorer måler kjørehastighet,
styrevinkel og rotasjonen til bilen om den
vertikale aksen for å bestemme den optimale
posisjonen til frontlysene basert på de
gjeldende kjøreforholdene. For å forbedre
sikten under kjøring på svingete veier om
natten, for eksempel, retter AFS lysstrålen i
retning av kurven. Når nærlysene er slått på,
og når du kjører i lav hastighet, forbedrer AFS
den laterale belysningen for å øke sikten til
fotgjengere og fortauskantene for å forbedre
sikten når du svinger i et mørkt kryss, inn i en
oppkjørsel eller du foretar en U-sving.
Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS)
fungerer når frontlysene er på. Hvis Model X
ikke er i bevegelse eller kjører i revers,
aktiveres ikke de adaptive frontlysene. Dette
forhindrer at andre førere blendes. Hvis du vil
slå av AFS, berører du Controls > Settings >
Vehicle > Adaptive Headlights > OFF

Hadde jeg visst at man eventuelt måtte hatt premiumpakke for å få svingelys så hadde det blitt mer aktuelt med premium, men Tesla har ikke gitt meg en eneste indikasjon på at det er en del av den pakken.

[Tesley]

Laget en tråd for emnet.

https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,35924.0.html

Tipper det blir aktuelt for flere å diskutere...

[Taffelman]

Begynner å bli lettere forvirret, men leser om "premiumseter" i diverse tråder. Er det forskjellge seter i ny Model X med og uten Premium pakka? Evt. Med eller uten "skinn"?

[Jeronan]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

[andreas.henrik]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

No. 2 on your list «might» not be included after all. Se other thread about this subject.

On the other hand have I come to the same conclusion as you


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[geear]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

Right now it seems that the turning lights (adaptive headlights) still does follow the premium package even though the website does not say so, and that the "3 position dynamic turning lights" are just the fog lights turning on and off just like most cars have had standard for 10 years already.

The HEPA filter itself can be retrofitted for 1-3k NOK in parts depending on where you get it, but you will not have the bio defence one-button mode unless you have it coded at Tesla. Some state that the bio defence mode is just the fans at max blow, but I have not researched that thoroughly as I have no interest in it.

[Jeronan]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

No. 2 on your list «might» not be included after all. Se other thread about this subject.

On the other hand have I come to the same conclusion as you


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No.2 is coming standard now. Just some people didn't receive it when the factory made the switch, but people that complained and showed their spec list got it retro fitted afterwards.

https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,35924.0.html

[Jeronan]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

Right now it seems that the turning lights (adaptive headlights) still does follow the premium package even though the website does not say so, and that the "3 position dynamic turning lights" are just the fog lights turning on and off just like most cars have had standard for 10 years already.

The HEPA filter itself can be retrofitted for 1-3k NOK in parts depending on where you get it, but you will not have the bio defence one-button mode unless you have it coded at Tesla. Some state that the bio defence mode is just the fans at max blow, but I have not researched that thoroughly as I have no interest in it.

Well I thought the adaptive light system should be standard too now?  It does not show in the Premium Package list at all. Not even on the American site.
All the Premium package shows is HEPA filter, Premium sound and sub zero package (all seats heated, front window heated, heated steering wheel, etc). That's all it shows. Nothing about adaptive head lights.

The biodefense mode is just a joke. Worst kind of sales pitch I have ever seen. You got to laugh about that.
Unless they manage to completely vacuum air seal the entire car cabin, if a biological weapon detonates in your vicinity, the HEPA filter alone isn't going to cut it. Haha. /shrug

[andreas.henrik]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

No. 2 on your list «might» not be included after all. Se other thread about this subject.

On the other hand have I come to the same conclusion as you


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No.2 is coming standard now. Just some people didn't receive it when the factory made the switch, but people that complained and showed their spec list got it retro fitted afterwards.

https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,35924.0.html

Where did you hear this? Some official statement? I hope they get this sorted out in production onwards so that we do not need to complain and have headlights with right specs retrofitted.


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[Jeronan]

We are ordering a Model S 75D now, without Premium.

Last week when I had a talk with the sales person at Tesla Oslo North, he said that right now the value is not good with the current 40.000 NOK price tag and for what you get.

A lot of the features that used to be Premium have now become standard.

- Smart air suspension
- 3-position dynamic Led turning lights
- Front seats with heating
- Heated side mirrors
etc

Unless you have someone that has heavy allergies, you really don't need the HEPA filter in Norway.
Heating in back seats. We have this on our current Volvo V60 and never used it, maybe once.
Premium Sound package. This just doesn't justify the 40.000 NOK pricetag for me.

No. 2 on your list «might» not be included after all. Se other thread about this subject.

On the other hand have I come to the same conclusion as you


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No.2 is coming standard now. Just some people didn't receive it when the factory made the switch, but people that complained and showed their spec list got it retro fitted afterwards.

https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,35924.0.html

Where did you hear this? Some official statement? I hope they get this sorted out in production onwards so that we do not need to complain and have headlights with right specs retrofitted.


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I asked about it in Skøyen last Saturday and he said it was standard now ( the A1, A2, A3 lights in that picture ).
Those are the 3-position dynamic LED turning lights. There isn't any other location for these.

On the US Teslamotorclub forum, people got them retro fitted after pushing the service center hard enough.

[andreas.henrik]

Thanks, I guess it should not be a problem after all then. Got a link to the retrofitting US TMC-forumpost?


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[Jeronan]

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/another-tesla-screw-up-three-position-dynamic-led-turning-light.98457/#post-2316820

[Frisco]

Går ca samme diskusjon ang adaptive kurvelys i en annen tråd: https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,35924.15.html

Som jeg skriver der:
Min bil endret status til under produksjon i dag, har ikke premium som tilvalg (men alt annet  ). Under 'view spec' står den med FG02. Denne har følgende beskrivelse:

Exterior Lighting Package
Cut through fog and illuminate obstacles on dark roads with LED fog lights that are controlled through the touchscreen. Our newly redesigned fog lights are designed to work with our LED cornering lights and headlights as a complete system.

... jeg oppfatter det da også er adaptive lys på kjerra (LED conrering lights). Om det ikke følger med kommer jeg til å mase det til meg på Rud SC

[Jeronan]

The whole website is a complete minefield with miss-information!

Reading all these discussions, I am actually getting a bit frustrated!

700.000 NOK is a hell lot of money to us and we would be extremely disappointed and frustrated to have the car delivered later with features ending up to be NOT on the car, because they are part of the Premium Upgrade Package not listed on the friggin' website! 

There is just so much conflicting info on the Model S page:

For example this about charging:
Universal Mobile Connector med 7,4 kW-kapabel blå industriell adapter (230 V, 32 A) og 3 kW-kapabel "Schuko"-adapter for hjemmebruk (230 V, 13 A)
Nothing mentioned about the 16,5 kW High-Effect onboard charger that is supposed to be standard now (used to be extra option)?

But on the "LADING" page under "Hjemme lading" this is said:
* Oppgradert Høyeffektslader må være utstyrt på bilen. Standard for biler bestilt etter 30 Juni 2017

So is this now standard delivered Yes or No?
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Now about the AFS system, mentioned on the Main Model S page:

Adaptive Lykter
Model S har nå full LED-frontlykter som er adaptive. I tillegg til å forbedre den eksisterende lekre stylingen, øker de også sikkerheten: 14 tre-posisjons, dynamiske LED-svinglys forbedrer sikten nattestid, spesielt på svingete veier.

Then further down, all it says about features that requires the Premium Upgrade Package is this:

Premium oppgraderinger-tillegg

HEPA-filtreringssystem
Premium lydsystem
11 høyttalere med neodymmagneter
Setevarmere i hele kabinen
Oppvarmet ratt
Vindusviskervarmere
Oppvarmede vindusspylerdyser

The Premium Upgrade Package doesn't say anything about AFS, but the designer doesn't say anything about this either, if it's standard or requires Premium Upgrade Package?
The Designer only mentions the 3-position LED curve lights ( the A1, A2 and A3 lights in top of the front light module).

I still got till next week Wednesday to make changes to my order, so I have send a email to my sales person in Tesla Skøyen.
I find it absolutely appalling Tesla doesn't provide a FULL detailed spec list with your order BEFORE it's fully confirmed!  EVERY OTHER car manufacturer gives you this, before even having to place any order!