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Bilene produsert i USA og i Kina trenger ikke være like mhp. konstruksjon og følgelig nyttelast. Det kan være fysiske forskjeller vi ikke aner noe om, det kan være forskjeller i regelverk og det kan rett og slett være en papirtabbe. Jeg tviler vel egentlig på det siste. At reglene for typegodkjenning av nyttelast kan være forskjellig USA/EU og event. forskjeller i konstruksjon har jeg mer tro på - men dette er synsing. At lasten i USA er vesentlig forskjellig trenger altså ikke være en faktor som automatisk skulle tilsi at den klarer det fint i EU.
Eneste måten å få klarhet i dette på er som nevnt en million ganger før - Produsenten må presses til å komme med utfyllende informasjon og dersom denne prosessen ender med at nyttelasten omdefineres til noe høyere - så er det en vinn-vinn situasjon. Endrer den seg ikke så er i bunn og grunn ingenting tapt for de som sitter på bilen nå. Men de som ønsker å vente på Berlin bilen så kan det ligge mye gevinst å få orden på dette

They are in fact the same. They use the same rear casting method for the Chassis. This has been said before.

Both MiC and Fremont Model Y have the same max combined axle weight rating of 2863kg ( 1500 rear + 1363 front ).

So if there would have been structural differences with the MiC Model Y that pushes cargo weight rating down to 2371kg as opposed to 2591kg in US with 2021 Model Y, then you'd expect the max combined axle weight rating for the MiC Model Y to be lower as well.  Again. It isn't, since these are the same cars construction wise.

Remember, the 2020 Model Y in US also had the low max cargo weight rating (tillatt maksvekt). This was updated this year to 2591kg with the release of the 7-seat version. So both 5 and 7 seat config now have 2591kg max cargo weight rating.

So yes. All seems to point towards a paper slip-up on Tesla's part, with keeping the MiC Model Y stuck with 2020 weight ratings, since they not manufacturing the 7-seat version there yet.
This would be typical Tesla shortsightness honestly and shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

Tesla Europe also got completely caught off guard with the MiC Model Y to Europe announcement by Tesla HQ back in early July, so they had to rush the registrations in Europe.
Also, completely par de course with Tesla internal communication ( read compete lack of ).

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Hvilke nettsider kan dere anbefale til kjøp av gulvmatter og annet?
Jeg endte opp med å bestille Tesla sine allværsmatter. De er gode, så langt en gummimatte kan være god passer i allefall perfekt og qnår det er sagt så hadde jeg også sett meg ut disse på elbilgrossisten, da de ser ut til å være ekstra "lange" under setene og opp under dashbordet. Men de var "out of stock" på det tidspunktet. Jeg har str 46 i sko og min venstrefot går over gummien på førersiden, så det kan potensielt bli litt søl på teppet på vinterstid.

Sent from my IN2023 using Tapatalk

The downside with Tesla's gummi mats (as I had them in the Model S) is that they become very slippery when wet.  :(

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Model Y / Sv: Ny model Y eller brukt model X
« på: I dag kl. 09:43 »
There are some downsides with Model X 75D you need to consider.

1. It has the old problematic "understell" and not the new Raven update that came later that year for Long Range and Performance.
This can become an expensive affair if the car goes beyond 100k KM. So check how many KM it has driven and how many KM you plan to drive yourself in coming 3 years.
Tesla is notoriously difficult with reclamation, when you get beyond 100k KM. That is why I got rid of the Model S 75D before it hit 100k KM and bought a Model Y myself.

2. The 75kWh pack will not give you much range in winter time on a big heavy car like the Model X. This doesn't have to be a problem per se, but you have to see for yourself what kind of range you need. Like if you have a cabin in the mountains, no charge posibility there, no SuC nearby, osv.

3. The current very high electricity prices (which people fear will be here to stay and might even get worse) you might want to take in consideration too these days.
The Model X is not really efficient, so you will have to charge it more often than the new Model Y, which is a lot more energy efficient. It has a similar 75kWh battery pack size, but you will get a lot more KM's out of a single charge compared to the Model X 75D.


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Model Y / Sv: "nødvendig" ekstrautstyr til Y
« på: I dag kl. 09:29 »
Hvilke nettsider kan dere anbefale til kjøp av gulvmatter og annet?

I bought these from elbilgrossisten (when they were still in stock a week ago, but they seem to get restocking regularly):
https://www.elbilgrossisten.no/products/tsla-floor-mats-tmy-gulvmatter-til-tesla-model-y

They are really nice and super light weight. (( which is handy with the Model Y  :-X :-X ::) ))

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HA HA! Excellent friday morning humor!  :laugh: :laugh:  :+1:







(( unfortunately I don't have a mother in law at hand to throw out as weight leverage, as she is already situated in Vestlandet  :-X ))

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Model Y / Sv: Takboks til Model Y
« på: I dag kl. 09:23 »
Synes Flow ser veldig flott ut om en ikke har behov for mer plass, og ser på nettet at de har den i butikker, men stusser litt på at den ikke vises på Thule sine sider. Kanskje det er en boks de faser ut? Sånn at en bør kjappe på om en vil ha den?:
https://www.thule.com/nb-no/cargo-carrier/car-top-carrier

Good point. Check if the Flow has the new lock system, as the previous version could be problematic on real cold winter days. Might be why it's phased out together with some other models that were phased out earlier this year.

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Model Y / Sv: Kjøpe med eller uten vinterdekk?
« på: I dag kl. 08:26 »
Call Dekk Sjekk in Askim and see if they still have the Continental VC7 tires.

If sold out, you can't really go wrong with Good Year Ultragrip Ice2 either. Especially if you drive around Oslo most of the time.
(They have a new version of these now I believe, called Ultragrip Ice2+)

PS. I don't think Tesla's winter tire package is a good deal at all. 24.900 NOK ex. MVA is a good deal?  :o

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Model Y / Sv: Vinterdekkpakke med felg
« på: I går kl. 23:26 »
Check out Dekk Sjekk in Askim. They have the best offers so far.

19inch rims (various options) + Continental VC7 = 21.990 NOK.

De har 19" og CV7 = 19.990,-
https://www.finn.no/bap/webstore/ad.html?finnkode=226414993

Correct. I looked at those, but didnˋt really like them. Too open and just barely enough on the load rating.

So I wanted the PH II turbines first, but they were sold out in black. So the Monaco were the next best thing that looked great and had ridiculous load rating too.  :P

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Model Y / Sv: Kjøpe med eller uten vinterdekk?
« på: I går kl. 22:01 »
19inch Monaco rims + Continental VC7 for 21.990 NOK incl. mounting and outlining of tires.

I switched the Hankook summer tires to the Monaco rims, as they fit better on these 8,5inch rims and put the Continental VC7 on the stock Gemini rims. Had to pay 500 NOK extra for this swap, which is super cheap.  :)

Other dekk senters, like Dekk24 wanted to charge 1600 NOK for mounting+outlining. So with the above swap I would had to pay 3200 NOK extra. :-1:

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Finnes det noen artikler i media på dette? Fant ikke noe når jeg googla

It was discussed on Tesla Owner's Club Norway facebook group. I tried to find the posts about this, but Facebook's group search function got to be one of the worst on the planet.  >:(

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Model Y / Sv: Takboks til Model Y
« på: I går kl. 21:38 »
Takk for deling! Dette var mye penere enn Motion XT.

It really depends on what you want to use the box for.  If its just for skis only, then yeah the Thule Motion XT series don't make much sense as they're less efficient ( reduce range more ).

But we want to use this box for more than just skis and I load all my camping gear (tent, sleeping bags, cooking gear, osv) and fishing gear, empty backpacks, osv in it during summer.
So we love the Thule Motion XT XL for this, as due to it's height you can actually fit big bags in it.

You can even buy a dedicated Thule bag set specifically made for the Thule Motion XT XL, because it's one of their best selling boxes.

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Model Y / Sv: Kjøpe med eller uten vinterdekk?
« på: I går kl. 21:32 »
Tesla leverer Nokian Hakka R3. Det er trygge og gode dekk på ordentlige vinterforhold, men ikke de mest støysvake.

Så det bunner jo ut i hva du selv foretrekker. Tror ingen kan si om man bør bestille et annet sted eller ikke, helt opp til hva en selv ønsker og har behov for.

R3 is king on snow and ice, but absolutely terrible on wet roads when it rains. It has a really long braking distance.

So it really depends where you drive most. If you live up north with mostly snow/ice the entire winter, you can't go wrong with Nokian's. They are one of the best in those conditions.

Though if you drive mostly in the West like Bergen or around Oslo where we mostly have wet / slush road conditions most of the winter (exceptions there, though it has been 4 years since we had a real cold winter like that), then both Continental VC7 and Good Year Ultragrip Ice 2 are better choices in my opinion.

We ourselves had Nokian R2's on our previous Model S and they were fantastic on the mountains towards Vestlandet, but around here in Oslo area they lacked good grip in slush/wet road conditions and tend to slide easy and very long brake distance.
When we switched to Good Year Ultragrip Ice2 back in february on the Model S, it was like night and day in slush/wet road conditions. Much better grip and brake performance.
Though the grip was less in snow/ice on the mountain than the Nokians.

That is the issue with winter tires really. No tire is perfect. So you have to choose the tire for the conditions you drive the most.

I have chosen Continental VC7 this time for the Model Y, due to the good package deal I got at Dekk Sjekk in Askim. So I am excited to see how these will perform coming winter. I expect them to sit somewhere between the Nokian and Good Year.

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Et spørsmål ang Tesla S. Når de økte max vekten, gjaldt det også Teslaer som allerede var på veien, eller kun nye? Om de skulle øke på Tesla y og det kun gjelder nye biler er det jo risikabelt å kjøpe nå

People reported that they did in fact update existing registrations. No idea if they did it across the board retro-actively or only for people that asked for specifically.

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Det er nesten skremmende å se at alt hva folk er opptatt av er om de får bot, event. blir tauet inn eller risikerer å bli anmeldt for noe de VET er ulovlig. Hele diskusjonen handler altså om å gjøre noe alle vet er ulovlig og så vurdere sannsynlighet for å bli tatt og konsekvensen av å bli tatt. Har alle så liten respekt for lovverket?
Ville det ikke være mer fornuftig å presse produsenten til å få bilen typegodkjent på ny dersom den faktisk - slik holdningen til mange her inne er, at dette tåler bilen fint? Dette er jo en uting som vil kunne ramme bil etter bil helt uavhengig av merke - det er noe produsentene av elbiler bare må begynne å tenke på allerede når de konstruerer bilen. Holder folk kjeft og sitter på gjerdet og heller tar sjansen ender vi bare opp med tulle biler som til slutt ikke kan lastes med annet enn luft for å sette det på spissen.

Exactly! Well said!

We already know the Model Y can handle more than 2371kg, since in US the 2021 Model Y has 2591kg as "tillatt maksvekt". That is 220kg more with the same max. axle weight rating of 2863kg, just like the MiC Model Y.
So we know, if Tesla gets pushed hard enough that they can fix our registrations to the same US weight rating of 2591kg.

They were pushed hard with the Model S a couple years ago and Tesla did in fact update registrations.
So they are able to, if they are pushed hard enough.

That is why I said early in this topic, that we should actually hope for Vegvesen to start pulling many Tesla's (Model Y, latest Model 3 and Model S) for weigh control during busy periods ( Winter, Easter and Summer holiday) when people have fully loaded cars. Create a lot of anger among people and push media attention.

I fear this is honestly the only way to push Tesla into action and fix this stupid mess with low "nyttelast".
It becomes a repeating record, but its just totally stupid that a car that has a max. axle weight rating of 2863kg, that they set the max cargo weight rating 492kg lower at 2371kg!  It makes no sense whatsoever and at this moment I think its literally the only car that has such a huge discrepancy between max. axle weight rating and max cargo weight rating (tillatt maksvekt), including their other Tesla models.

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Hva gjør jeg? Noen som har fått samme melding og vet noe mer? Har bestilt en svindyr flybillett ++ til hentingen, så anser det som ganske viktig at dette går i orden.

Are you the unlucky one from Ålesund that was forced to pick up his Model Y in Lillestrøm?  ::)

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