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#556
Zoe / Sv: Korrekt "batterivennlig" lading av Zoe?
tirsdag 07. august 2018, klokken 21:16
Charging till 100% daily is not a problem since the Zoe does not allow you to really charge to 100% anyway.
There is a buffer at both end. You can not fully charge, neither can you go fully empty.
If I remember correctly, the 41 kWh battery pack you have is actually a 46 kWh pack but you are allowed to use only 41.

I have a R240 from August 2016 with 26 000 km and I charge at home in 99% of the cases. I still have 99% SoH for the battery pack.

To answer your question about stopping the charge at 90%, the only option you have is use the calendar charging to control when it will start and stop. I guess you get around 7% charge per hour with your home charger (Podpoint) so if you are at say 70% you can schedule your car to charge from 1am to 4am (3h) which will then get you to 91%.

Another thing, it is nice to charge after 2300 if possible to put less load on the grid when you are using electricity for something else, especially during winter.
#557
Zoe / Sv: Oppgradering av batteri Zoe
mandag 06. august 2018, klokken 14:46
MF does not provide this kind of upgrade at the moment.
I guess they do not think many people would do it anyway since the price would be around 100 KNOK at the moment.
Let's say one can sell one's R240 for around 140K, plus 100K one would have paid for upgrading the battery, then we are only 30K under the price of a R90 with winter tires.
So 30Kextra to have a brand new car instead of a 2/3 year old R240 with the 41kWh battery pack seems reasonable :)
#558
Zoe / Sv: Oppgradering av batteri Zoe
torsdag 02. august 2018, klokken 14:25
Looks like nobody here knows so I will do that :)
#559
Zoe / Sv: Oppgradering av batteri Zoe
mandag 30. juli 2018, klokken 10:13
Has anything happened in that front since the last post?
Is there a easy way to get a new battery pack in Norway for people with a R240?
Does Motor Forum even sell this upgrade?
#560
Ladeplasser og ladekabler / Sv: Fortums nye ladeapp
fredag 13. juli 2018, klokken 09:40
Sitat fra: hsa77 på fredag 13. juli 2018, klokken 08:16
Og på type 2 kontaktene står det ikke effekt i appen, litt forskjellig ladetid på 3kw og 22kw - håpløst for oss med ZOE!

I had the exact same reaction and I asked Fortum about this. I was told it will come in a later version of the app...
Vi får se :)
#561
Hi,
It is a well known fact that the Ioniq charges fast at pretty much any temperature and up to a quite high SoC.
On the other hand, the new Leaf for example, charges quite slow in comparison.

I am wondering if, all things being equal (e.g lack of thermal management for the Leaf), the Ioniq is pushing the limits of chemistry in order to achieve its speed and that this will show in a poorer SoH in the longer run.

What to you guys think?

P.S: I took the Leaf and the Ioniq as examples, so the questions is basically this: are some manufacturers a bit less careful (or too optimistic) for some short term gains and long term losses?
#562
The price at Fortum for the 22 kW AC chargers was 1NOK/min or 2.5 NOK/kWh.
So I guess it is the latter that increased from 2.5 to 3.5 NOK.
#563
Kjøpe elbil? / Sv: Hvilken bil til pendling 10 mil?
torsdag 14. juni 2018, klokken 12:40
If you are considering the Zoe and are thinking of charging at work, make sure the charging station there is compatible with it. It will be if it is connected to a TN electrical grid, or if the charger delivers 11 kW or more (which implies the TN grid). It will not if it is connected to an IT grid.
#564
Zoe / Sv: Hjemmeladestasjon
tirsdag 12. juni 2018, klokken 13:22
Sitat fra: jkirkebo på tirsdag 12. juni 2018, klokken 12:47
22kW er ikke hurtiglading, og den seneste forskningen tyder på at det beste for batteriet er å lade mellomraskt. Altså ikke hurtiglade (pga. varmeutvikling) men heller ikke saktelade på lav effekt (pga. parasittiske prosesser som foregår under lading). Det kan altså være best for batteriet å bli ferdig med lading så raskt som mulig, men ikke så raskt at det utvikles noe særlig varme.

So what would you say are acceptable charging speed? between 7 and 11 kW?
Is 22 kW too fast and ends up producing too much heat (at least during the summer)?
Is 3.6 kW too slow and creates the problem you describe above? or do you have to go down to less than 2 kW for this?
#565
Zoe / Sv: Hjemmeladestasjon
tirsdag 12. juni 2018, klokken 12:09
When it comes to the speed of charge, I think it is not fully clear yet that always charging with 22 kW destroys the battery faster compared to mostly charging with 3.6 kW. But in theory it is reasonable to assume that charging slower should be better.
The other thing to consider is if you can have so much power dedicated to charging your car, especially during the winter, without taking your main circuit breaker down because you would be over the max capacity of your incoming line.
I would go for 3.6 or 7.2 kW, unless you really need (and can) more and then maybe go for 11 or 22 kW.

What you can also think of is if you are going to have several electric cars in the future, then a load balancer dual charger can be a good idea.
#566
Zoe / Sv: Hjemmeladestasjon
tirsdag 12. juni 2018, klokken 12:03
To add to the previous answer, if you do not have TN at home, you will need a transformer to go from IT to TN before you get to the charger.
This transformer is part of the installation package (if you have IT of course) with the Podpoint charger when you get this installed via Motor Forum.
#567
Kjøpe elbil? / Sv: Volkswagen e-up VS Renault Zoe 240
tirsdag 05. juni 2018, klokken 16:03
This IT grid is a royal pain in the a**...
Imagine how easy they have it in Sweden (and the rest of Europa except Albania and some parts of Belgium) with their TN grid everywhere :)
This being said, my Podpoint at home is working great!
#568
Kjøpe elbil? / Sv: Volkswagen e-up VS Renault Zoe 240
tirsdag 05. juni 2018, klokken 15:25
Just for adding more data to this, here is a link to another post:
https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php?topic=39251.msg676402#msg676402
The numbers are for a Zoe Q210 which is less efficient at charging at lower intensity.
But it roughly shows that using the Zaptec with 10A gives you around 1.5kW in the battery with the Zoe R240, whicle using the Podpoint charger with 16A gives you roughly the double, i.e 3 to 3.2 kW.
Hence my numbers at the beginning of this thread.
#569
Kjøpe elbil? / Sv: Volkswagen e-up VS Renault Zoe 240
mandag 04. juni 2018, klokken 11:31
No problem Jeanett :)

Yes you can use the Zaptec portable on any grid.
One little thing though: in order to dissipate the heat it creates, it has a built-in fan which is a bit noisy. So make sure the noise level it ok with you. Putting it under the car during charging helps a bit :)

Otherwise you have the ladebøtte (also ok with both TN and IT): http://www.nofuel.no/Produkt/nofuel-10a-portabelladeboks-zoe
It is totally silent but gets warm (not 100C but warm...) and weight 13 kg.

One more thing about both of these: the charging time is around half compared to a 3.6 kW charge, so around 8% capacity per hour.
#570
Kjøpe elbil? / Sv: Volkswagen e-up VS Renault Zoe 240
mandag 04. juni 2018, klokken 10:14
I have a 2 years old R240 and I manage 100 km easily during the winter and 180/200 km during the summer if I do not drive 100 km/h on the motorway :)
One thing I would check is if the Zoe is compatible with your charge at home. Having a Type 2 charger is not enough, you have to make sure it is TN compatible, not IT. If the charger gives 11 kW or more, then it should be ok. But maybe it is more common to have a TN grid in Bergen compared to Oslo...
You should also check that you can charge at work, either with the Type 2 cable that comes with the car, or with a cable that you can plug in the normal socket. Again, if the grid is IT, you will need a charger transforming that to TN, like the Zaptec portable or the "ladebøtte" from NoFuel.
The charging time depends on the charger's capacity. If you have a 3.6 kW charger, you get around 15% more capacity per hour.
The service price is around 1500 NOK for the first year, 2500 for the 2nd year and 4000 for the 3 year. Then you are back to year 1 :)

I am super happy with my Zoe, and one main reason is that it fits my needs :)
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