Hei,
First sorry I'm writing in english, but my norwegian is still not very good.
I bought Peugeot ION with defective charger. I ordered from finndel.no second hand charger and I change it. After that I do the procedure for Water pump actuate (Manual) from this link:
http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/14/html/M114200120001700ENG.HTM
The car is running now but I'm having a few problems:
1. When I tried to charge it for the first time today with the home charger, first the green light ready lighting, after that showing charging for 3-4 seconds, I can hear some fans started inside and light charging is gone, only ready remaining.
2. On the dash board lighting two warning lights when I start the car - red icon with battery and yellow car with exclamation mark. I took the battery to charge it home tonight, so I will write a results tomorrow.
3. With Delphi diagnostic coming 3 errors:
U1113 -Ignore Fault code - Permanent,
P0A09 Converter Fault - Intermittent,
P1A12 Vehicle charging fault - Intermittent
4. When I start the car I can here on the back side buzzing/spinning sound of pump or looks like pump, but its not the same which I used in the procedure for coolant change. So I don't know what is this equipment for, but looks like pump other than this used to move to coolant in the engine department.
I assume it may have no coolant in the electronic block I changed, so that's why charging start and stops. Aslo 12V battery failure.
Can somebody tell me what is that pump with buzzing sound, is it normal and how to fill the system there, if any procedure.
Did somebody have an experience with stoping charging after a few seconds.
In general appreciated any help, I really want to be Green and drive Ion.
På forhand takk!
This is the charger I have changed:
I´m not sure, but the charger on the last picture is the american version (110 volts).
The buzzing "pump" is the vacuum pump for the brake assistans, and it starts when the brake system is low on vacuum, it´s normal.
The "Ready" light should not be on while charging the car. Do you have the ignition on?..
Thanks for the fast reply!
No the car is not in Ready state.
Its off. I will try after a few hours with the charged battery and let you know the result.
The result with charged 12V baterry - Negative!
Again red icon for battery stays all the time when the car is started with yellow car with exclamation mark.
When I'm trying to charge it:
1. In the charger is comming a light charging for few seconds.
2. The fans inside the car start spinning for 2-3 seconds
3. On the dashboard showing red charging plug,
4. Start showing yellow car with exclamation mark and red plug symbol start blinking. Fans are stoped and charger shows only grean ready.
Any ideas?
I think you need to go to the dealer and reset all your fault codes.
It could be that simple as update the software/reset the codes, but also harware as fuses, wires, converter...
a you sure the new charger is compatible with the car? Same year, part.nr?
I will double check the replaced part number and the year again.
The Broken inverter have following signs:
9499A437 STD
Serial: 17343 V110
ZGTP1529R 2011.06.13
The NEW inverter have following signs:
9466C341 STD
Serial: 20977 V110
ZHTP1529R 2011.09.20
So I'm thinking its same and compatible ?
Is the car drivable?
Did you try fast-charging?
Your codes indicate some problem(s) with the charging, and I think you hade to reset the codes, otherwise the codes will prevent car from accepting the charge.
Hi,
I tried fast charging and yes the car is charging from fast charger.
Yes I can drive the car.
Once I delete the errors they are coming back immediately once the charger is plugged in.
Once I plug the charge fans starts for 3-4 seconds and stops charging.
What was the symptoms before you changed the charger, same as now?
Have you bled the system properly, including step #8 to #12? It's rather elaborate, like me. :laugh: The procedure you posted in your first post do indeed cover it. My guess is an airlock somewhere in the highest point. Perhaps you need to prime the system by hand. ???
Is there any fill plugs on top of the charger, inverter or whatever that is the highest point in the loop? If not, try reverse fill the tubing back to the pump.
I had the same air problem after completely draining a diesel filter for water (and diesel, sadly.) NAF/AAA failed to revive the car, but I solved it by priming it with a bottle. Although it were supposed to be a self-priming diesel pump ... ::)
mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index_M1.htm
(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index_M1.htm)54D-ELECTRIC MOTOR UNIT AND MAIN BATTERY
(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index/u3.png)EV-ECU
(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index/m3.png)(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index/u3.png)(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index/note.png) DIAGNOSIS CODE CHART
(mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/54/html/M154920060003700ENG.HTM)
(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/54/html/M154920060003700ENG.HTM)PS! I'm intrigued by your Delphi. Which model? Is it generic or model specific? Does it have M.U.T. III capabilities? If not, can it write to the car, delete fault codes or is it read only?
Hei, engolf.
Yes it was the same symptoms, but the charger was visibly broken. Two capacitors inside was blown...
Hi, elekTrond,
Thanks for your answer. I will try to remove any air in the system again manually tomorrow.
Delpy is generic, I can delete and read errors, but not MUT III capabilities as I know.
I can take a picture and post it here if you want ?
Mvh,
Angel
Any success today? :blank:
Yeah, sure, submit a pic if you can. Some info is also nice. We have earlier discussed a couple of brand-specific iCarSoft models, i909 and i970 or thereabout. One of them are semi-model specific as well, if I recall correctly. The Mazda+Mitsubishi one costs from NOK 1,000.- plus VAT and shipping. Two users here has one or the other iCarSoft model. I'd like to hear your experiences with that Delphy thingie. :+1:
PS! Did you throw away the old, broken one? I'd like a peek inside it first. :o Maybe it's salvable in the right hands.
It makes me wonder if the problem is not in the charger...
Have you checked the connector utlet/plug? Tried another charging wire?
After deleting the errors and plug the charger only P1A12 coming at once the fans stopping.
I'm soon out of ideas what to do...
I ordered one Lexia from internet to check with it if any better.
I will try another charger soon... The connector seems to be fine, because the car recognise the charger once plugged, but also this I can check...
Regarding the old unit I keep it and yes it can be repaired if someone knows about that.
Have you tried to disconnect some major components as the heater and AC-pump? I know it´s a long shot, but in theory it could affect the charging.
I don´t know if the fast-charge relay under the rear seat can affect the charging (if it stuck open..)?..
It might be something trivial. Try disconnect everything and reinstall it. As with faulty cartridges, diskettes or floppy disks, all you need is a magic blow. :D Have a look at basic things like fuses, connectors, loose fittings, o-rings etc.
I rebuilt a turbo engine with new main bearings due to low oil pressure. Sadly enough a badly installed o-ring lifted an oil pipe and let oil pump draw air instead of oil from the oil pickup beneath. No need to tell who the responsible was ...
Are you sure the water actually flows? Are you sure there is no air trapped within?
Hi,
yes the water is circulating I've done the procedure for remove air more than 10 times.
At the highest point we opened the temperature sensor and there is a lot of cooling fluid.
All fuses checked and found OK.
The relay is another think, but I see them normally opened....
I ment stuck closed of course.
It could explane the blown capacitors..
Hi engolf,
can you give me more info where is "fast-charge relay under the rear seat " if you know, please.
Thanks
I read somewhere there is is relay that allow fast charging, and it´s under the rear seat.
I don´t know all the details about the function, but when the car communicates with the fast-charger it allows electricity to enter the battery. Under the rear seat there is a small compressor on the rihgt side(in case of flat tire), on the left side there is a cover, so I think the relay must be under there.
Don't stop believin' (https://hooktube.com/watch?v=2NQIPVqLMUg)
Hold on to that feelin'
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I did the good ol' jazz hand routine for y'all, and voilà:
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70 -COMPONENT LOCATIONS
(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index/u3.png)(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/index/note.png) RELAY (http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/2012/70/html/M170100040227900ENG.HTM)
(http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/i-miev/online/Service_Manual/img/70/AC901056AC00ENG.png)
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this godsent manual
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As you suggest me (most probably I have to do it long time ago) I checked the voltage to 12 battery.
When the car is in off state 12.4V
Once I start the car - ready to go position no any change in the voltage. Looks like the main battery did not charge the 12V.
Can the relay from previous post cause this too ?
No, not the fast-charge relay, it´s only active when using fastcharger. It´s probably your DC-DC converter (that converts high voltage to low voltage 12v).
This is like finding the needle in someone's haystack elsewhere ... ::) You should start working logical around this, and gather known facts and whatnot. No wonder the 12V won't charge when you still have errors in the same box.
- Are you sure the old OBC/DC-DC are faulty?
- Are you sure the salvaged OBC/DC-DC works at all?
- Have you looked in to the TIM - TechInfoManual?
- Have you studied the wiring diagrams in WM, ch. 90?
- Have you consulted myimiev (http://myimiev.com/forum/index.php)?
A search for ZHTP1529R gave me the following two threads:
- goingelectric.de/forum/c-zero-i-miev-ion/wandler-im-bordlader-defekt-passendes-teil-gesucht-t24636.html (https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/c-zero-i-miev-ion/wandler-im-bordlader-defekt-passendes-teil-gesucht-t24636.html)
- myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3897&start=30 (http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3897&start=30) (Not Charging. Main Inverter Fuse blown)
:laugh: Here you are some classic fault finding flow diagrams: https://hooktube.com/results?search_query=har+du+tukla+med (poor you, gera4ko : )
PS! Where do you live? I'd like having a look at the old OBC.
No news in the fart? :-\ :o :-X Just about finishing that myimiev thread I found a library of twenty(!) OBC & DC-DC troubleshooting threads. Some are success stories marked [SOLVED/SUCCESS/SWAPPED_OUT/REPAIRED/REPLACED].
Have a look at myimiev.com/.../Troubleshooting and repair for On-board Charger (OBC), DC-DC Converter (http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4079&p=36346#p36346) :+1:
Hi elekTrond,
Thanks for your reply and the efforts trying helping me!
Here is the answers of your questions
1. Are you sure the old OBC/DC-DC are faulty? - Yes. I can see inside on the bottom board two small blue capacitors blown and looks exploded.
2. Are you sure the salvaged OBC/DC-DC works at all? No, I'm not. The seller is official for used cars on parts. According to him the car was insurance case...
3. Have you looked in to the TIM - TechInfoManual? Yes a lot of pages
4. Have you studied the wiring diagrams in WM, ch. 90? No, can you send me a link
5. Have you consulted myimiev? Yes: http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4186&p=37748#p37748
I'm in Stavanger!
I have now Lexia diag. I will try with it to see what can I do...
Ahh, I don't pay too much attention to myimiev. After all, *knock on wood dashboard* mine works flawlessly like a swiss clockwork orange. :D I'll read your thread when I'm awake.
Wiring is the last chapter in our beloved MMC manual. :+1:
Hello again,
Today I connected the car with Lexia (china version, but working good) and inside was a lot of errors for delete. All deleted!
Tried to charge, same behaviours - start charging for a few seconds and stops.
Sone errors came back which I'm posting a link with pdf showing the full result.
(PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AND IF YOU FIND SOMETHING INTERESTING I WILL APPRECIATE IT!)
https://files.fm/u/32e8heyv
or
http://www.filedropper.com/print_15
The line which catch my attention is:
Air conditioning compressor supply request - Not functional
Can Aircondition blocks the charging ??? :-(
Also after that I tried to execute actuator tests on everything on that function.
All passed ok, except 2 relay tests:
1. "ACTIVATION COMPRESSOR/HEATING SUPPLYRELAY"
2."ACTIVATION OF THE COOLANT PUMP SUPPLY RELAY"
Observations:
A. I Can not hear any relay clicking for both relays when actuators tests are running.
B. When I plug the charging cable I can hear the relays in front clicking, but not sure which
C. The pump relay tested and found OK with 12V on the line and clicking...
D. A/C relay is not tested, because of darkness and late today... But I can start the A/C inside the car... So should be fine if its a same CAN line.
E. When I start manual procedure for air bleeding the pump is running the cooling water, as suppose to be (12 times x 30 sec) and the water is moving visible. So the pump is working, if its one. Maybe is another one, that I don't know.
So I'm very, very confused how to proceed further more...
PLEASE HELP ME!
Yes, working AC is needed for charging (in some cases/temperatures).
Thats why when you connect your car to power the fan inside the car start for a couple of seconds (it´s just a self test in case AC is needed during the charging).
The AC button only sends signal to activate the AC compressor, but if the system is low on pressure compressor will not start.
Well, there are many fans and pumps in this car. What we hear under the AC OBC charging startup is the battery pack fan, which is situated in the rear of the car. All AC climate stuff is under the hood.
I just tried the Aircondition on cooling and wiring pretty well. The a/c compressor also sounds pretty well. Start and stops as it should be.
I'm very confused.
Please advise me something...
BTW: As you probably know, there are two separate coolant loops. One for the heater in front, and one in the rear for everything else. Don't mix up those two pumps or reservoirs while reading the manual.
Check your relays with a voltmeter or doctor's stethoscope (Biltema) for voltage/clicking while actuating from Lexia.
I think I read somewhere (in the manual or) at myimiev about having a MMC technician rewriting some values like km/miles etc. after exchanging an expensive part. I think it has to do with false warranty claims. It's maybe related to main battery only(?). :confused: (I wrote this before reading the P1A12 part of your report : )
Those printout's are a kind of (time) freezeframe, from when the DTC was set, right? I see some values change from/between U1113 and P1A12. Perhaps it helps reading them together with the fault finding flow charts in the WM?
(Are you/Lexia able to export as .csv etc. for import in spreadsheets? Just for easier comparing of columns and values : )
| U1113 (Fault code to be ignored) | Value
| Page |
| Authorisation of the charger converter | Not authorised | 2 |
| Authorisation of the rapid charger | Not authorised | 2 |
| Authorisation of charging | Not authorised | 2 |
| | |
| P1A12 (Vehicle charging faul | Value | Page |
| Authorisation of the charger converter | Authorised | 4 |
| Authorisation of the rapid charger | Not authorised | 4 |
| Authorisation of charging | Authorised | 4 |
| Air conditioning compressor supply request | Not functional | 4 |
| (how to interpret ON/OFF/active/auth/func/... ?) | (what does NF mean?) | |
Does Lexia have a good manual for interpreting those values?
PS! Later on, some day, I'd like your Lexia clone to do a battery heater plate actuator test, while monitoring battCellTemp's via caniOn, EvBatMon or TorQue, while having a can-bus sniffer picking up the (isolated) signalling, in order to makeshift fabricoupling some semimanual battery-preheating system. :-D
Long time, no see! :-\ Yet another month has passed, any luck yet? ???