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Tittel: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 18. august 2017, klokken 01:59
Hello,

I'm a French happy driver 8) of a 106 electric and developped an Android app for maintenance and monitoring of our old e-cars.

You can download it for free on the Google playstore (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=steens.checkelec). You will then need an OBD interface that you can buy for cheap on Internet. Be carefull, lot of them are fake, particularly the cheapest.
I tested Prodiag (https://www.amazon.fr/PRODIAG-Bluetooth-adaptateur-diagnostique-t%C3%A9l%C3%A9phone/dp/B01LELS2WQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502930066&sr=8-1&keywords=prodiag) and Vgate (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01JU11EZE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1). Both work, but there are others.

It is a first version, lot of functions are still missing (like faults reading and deleting) and will be implemented in future versions. In this version you can monitor the voltage and current during driving or charging, select the type of charge for the next charge and get various information.

Your feedbacks/suggestions are welcome  ;)

Regards
Stéphane

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Google translate :

Hallo,

Jeg er en fransk glad driver 8) av en 106 elektrisk og utviklet en Android-app for vedlikehold og overvåking av våre gamle e-biler.

Du kan laste den ned gratis på Google Playstore (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=steens.checkelec). Du vil da trenge et OBD-grensesnitt som du kan kjøpe for billig på Internett. Vær forsiktig, mange av dem er falske, spesielt de billigste.
Jeg testet Prodiag (https://www.amazon.fr/PRODIAG-Bluetooth-adaptateur-diagnostique-t%C3%A9l%C3%A9phone/dp/B01LELS2WQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502930066&sr=8-1&keywords=prodiag) og Vgate (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01JU11EZE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1). Begge arbeid, men det er andre.

Det er en første versjon, mange funksjoner mangler fortsatt (som feil leser og sletter) og vil bli implementert i fremtidige versjoner. I denne versjonen kan du overvåke spenningen og strømmen under kjøring eller lading, velg ladetype for neste ladning og få ulike opplysninger.

Dine tilbakemeldinger / forslag er velkomne ;-)

hilsen
Stéphane
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 18. august 2017, klokken 14:52
This is extremely interesting :+1:   THANKYOU - I will try it out ASAP.

Did you have to alter the pin-config of the OBD plugg?  As far as I know most of them du not use the K-line PIN that PSA-electric use ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 18. august 2017, klokken 15:16
I get: "This APP is not available in your country"  :(   
Any good suggestions to how to get around that - please ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 18. august 2017, klokken 17:58
Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 18. august 2017, klokken 15:16
I get: "This APP is not available in your country"  :(   
Oops :o ! I forgot to activate the availability in Norway ! I just changed it. It should be available now.
Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 18. august 2017, klokken 14:52
Did you have to alter the pin-config of the OBD plugg?  As far as I know most of them du not use the K-line PIN that PSA-electric use ??
Yes the OBD norm is compatible with K-line communications. There is no modification to bring to the OBD device.
- Just plugg it on your vehicle (if you have a 30 pin PSA connector, you will need an adapter (https://www.amazon.fr/Cablematic-connecteur-adaptateur-Peugeot-Citro%C3%ABn/dp/B00CHMY938/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1503070707&sr=8-5&keywords=OBD+psa))
- Pair it with your Android device
- Launch the app and go in the "settings" menu. You will be able to retrieve your OBD device. You can also set the type of car you have (106/Saxo or Berlingo/Partner).
- Then return to the other pages and the app will automatically launch the communication.

By the way, 95% of the OBDs sold on Internet (generally from China, price <10€) use bad copies of the ELM327 component >:(. Some of them (generally price > 10€) have a good copy of the ELM327 component like Prodiag or Vgate. A very few of them use a real ELM327 but are more expensive (price >50€).

So if the OBD norm allows the communication on K-line, the bad copies of OBDs are not compliant with the norm and will not allow the communication :-X. In this case the app will show a red message saying "OBD default". You will need a good copy or a real OBD device  ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxfredag 18. august 2017, klokken 21:52
Fantastic. Not too many such cars left after 17 years, but I have one and I still service 2-3 here in Stavanger.

Is this the right OBD device: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01JU11EZE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenslørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 01:11
Yes, this OBD device (VGATE) works, I tested it myself.

This other one (PRODIAG) works also (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01LELS2WQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1), and is cheaper. I use it every day.

I got feedback from users saying that the following work either :
PRODIAG small (https://www.amazon.fr/OBD2-Bluetooth-ELM327-Bluetooth-V%C3%A9rifier-diagnostic-T%C3%A9l%C3%A9phone/dp/B01MQWRUBY/ref=pd_sim_263_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QSDCA3D4NZK2VHF1JH9M)

I also personnally tested these ones that are not working >:( :
MOONAR (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00BMHAILG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
KKMOON (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B007XPPKVO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
LYL (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B004KL0I9I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 19:32
Sitat fra: Steens på lørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 01:11
I got feedback from users saying that the following work either :  PRODIAG small (https://www.amazon.fr/OBD2-Bluetooth-ELM327-Bluetooth-V%C3%A9rifier-diagnostic-T%C3%A9l%C3%A9phone/dp/B01MQWRUBY/ref=pd_sim_263_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QSDCA3D4NZK2VHF1JH9M)

Hmm. Are you saying  "does work too"  or  "do not work either" ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 19:37
Sitat fra: Steens på fredag 18. august 2017, klokken 17:58
Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 18. august 2017, klokken 15:16
I get: "This APP is not available in your country"  :(   
Oops :o ! I forgot to activate the availability in Norway ! I just changed it. It should be available now.

Thankyou. Got it installed now and will try it out tomorrow with two OBD devices I have already.

PS: if it's OK with you ??  I will add information about you program on elbilwiki.no  More specifically here (http://elbilwiki.no/index.php/PSA:ServiceInstrumenter)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 20:02
I ordered this one:

https://www.24hshop.no/hjem-fritid/biltilbehor/bildiagnostikk/mini-vgate-icar-elm327-obd2-bl
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 20. august 2017, klokken 12:49
Sitat fra: elektrolux på lørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 20:02
I ordered this one
It looks the same as the one I tested. I think it should work.
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 19:37
if it's OK with you ??  I will add information about you program on elbilwiki.no
Ok ! :)
By the way, the app is actually available in English, French, German and Polish. If anyone is interested in translating it in Norvegian (or any other language), let me know. There are two text files to translate : one containing around 100 words/expressions used in the app, the other is for the Google Playstore page.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 20. august 2017, klokken 14:54
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 20. august 2017, klokken 12:49
By the way, the app is actually available in English, French, German and Polish. If anyone is interested in translating it in Norvegian (or any other language), let me know.

If it is only a matter of translating textfiles I am happy to do that.
Programming is not my thing any more. I used to be a programmer, but I have not written a single line of code for 22 years.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: saxo56søndag 20. august 2017, klokken 17:41
Great app. I´m happy to translate it to swedish.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: saxo56søndag 20. august 2017, klokken 17:44
Om ni har Kjell&co i Norge finns det OBD-2 att köpa hos dem, en för Android och en för iPhone.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 20. august 2017, klokken 22:09
Sitat fra: saxo56 på søndag 20. august 2017, klokken 17:44
Om ni har Kjell&co i Norge finns det OBD-2 att köpa hos dem, en för Android och en för iPhone.
Ja vi har Kjell&co i Norge, men har du testet at den de selger fungerer på PSA og Checkelec APPen ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 20. august 2017, klokken 22:13
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 19. august 2017, klokken 19:37
Thankyou. Got it installed now and will try it out tomorrow with two OBD devices I have already.
I have tested the two OBDII bluetooth devices I have. Both of them connects to the phone (Samsung S5), the APP see them but it does not connect to any of them :(  So I realize I have to buy a new one.

But one question about the connection. As you can see in the picture below I gave the two devices different names on my phone, but for some reason the APP did to distinguish between them, but displayed both with the default name OBDII. It would be nice if it displayed the name that the phone displays.


Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensmandag 21. august 2017, klokken 01:03
Sitat fra: Elmo på søndag 20. august 2017, klokken 22:13
the APP see them but it does not connect to any of them
Do you mean that you saw the red message "OBD default" in the top right corner ?
(https://s27.postimg.org/4mr19ve1r/image.png)
If yes, then your OBD devices are definitely not compliant with the OBD norm.
If no, let me know what message you have.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 21. august 2017, klokken 10:13
Sitat fra: Steens på mandag 21. august 2017, klokken 01:03
Sitat fra: Elmo på søndag 20. august 2017, klokken 22:13
the APP see them but it does not connect to any of them
Do you mean that you saw the red message "OBD default" in the top right corner ?
(https://s27.postimg.org/4mr19ve1r/image.png)

Yes. The first one gave that message at ones. The other gave that message after trying to connect (in yellow I think) for 20 seconds or so.

I tried to order a "good" one from Amazon but they would not ship to Norway :-1-: so now I have ordered a VGATE from eBay (hope it is the real deal and not a fake brand).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 21. august 2017, klokken 15:00
Very interesting app  :+1:

I have decided to try it out and have ordered the same OBD device as elektrolux.

If you manage to include fault reading and clearing it would be GREAT!

Setting the car in the different charge modes and clearing water service would also be very nice  :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensmandag 21. august 2017, klokken 18:23
Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 21. august 2017, klokken 15:00
If you manage to include fault reading and clearing it would be GREAT!
I'm working on it ;)

Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 21. august 2017, klokken 15:00
Setting the car in the different charge modes and clearing water service would also be very nice  :+1:
It's already possible : in the page "Charge", you have 4 buttons, one for each charge type. Click on the desired charge and it wil change the charge type in about 5 to 10 sec.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 21. august 2017, klokken 18:24
Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 21. august 2017, klokken 15:00
Setting the car in the different charge modes and clearing water service would also be very nice  :+1:

The Charge menu must be to set chargemode. What is needed i addition is to cancel programmed charge. Cancel charge is needed when starting a fake initial charge after changing program/settings.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensmandag 21. august 2017, klokken 18:31
To cancel an unwanted charge, you just to have click on the button "normal charge" if you want a normal charge ;D.

You can even cancel the equalization charge that is periodically set by the ECU. Then, the ECU will set it again for the next charge. Sometimes it can be useful if you don't have time on the next day to wait for a longer charge and want to delay it of one day.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 21. august 2017, klokken 18:40
Sitat fra: Steens på mandag 21. august 2017, klokken 18:31
To cancel an unwanted charge, you just to have click on the button "normal charge" if you want a normal charge ;D.

Of course :+1: I didn't think of that :-[
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 22. august 2017, klokken 08:39
Sitat fra: Steens på mandag 21. august 2017, klokken 18:23
It's already possible : in the page "Charge", you have 4 buttons, one for each charge type. Click on the desired charge and it wil change the charge type in about 5 to 10 sec.
Oh, great!  :+1: Then it is only fault reading and clearing that are missing out of the functions I use the most with my old Lexia/PP2000 software on the bothersome old laptop (win XP) 
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: saxo56onsdag 23. august 2017, klokken 23:50
Ja, jag har köpt min på Kjell&co för android och den fungerar med appen.
Jag har en Samsung S6.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 26. august 2017, klokken 06:37
Plug and play for me. Well done!

Any way you could do the same for Think Classic? There are perhaps 200-300 cars left that need water service, and only 10 ore so service instruments available.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensmandag 28. august 2017, klokken 10:57
Sitat fra: elektrolux på lørdag 26. august 2017, klokken 06:37
Any way you could do the same for Think Classic?
Why not extending the app to other cars. But is the Think ECU similar to PSA ECU (Sagem) ? Or at least, is the communication protocol similar to the Sagem ?
The big point is to identify the communication protocol (how you start the communication, how you request information, the format of the reply, etc.). Maybe someone already did that ?
Then, if the protocol is identified and compatible, the rest of the app (bluetooth connection, OBD management, data post-processing, display...) would be totally re-useable.
But first : is there an OBD plug in the vehicle ?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 28. august 2017, klokken 12:35
Sitat fra: Steens på mandag 28. august 2017, klokken 10:57
Why not extending the app to other cars. But is the Think ECU similar to PSA ECU (Sagem) ? Or at least, is the communication protocol similar to the Sagem ?

Maybe you could ask BauDemo (https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=222) (Nikolay) if he is willing to share some views on that?  He has made an EV-monitor for Think Classic (http://www.evmonitor.info/2012/06/think-city-ev-maintenance-charge-and.html) that requires an old Palm and a cable.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxmandag 28. august 2017, klokken 14:33
Good Idea! And yes it has OBD plug , but not sure if connections are standard.

Think is not same as Sagem, so you really need to get info from Bau Demo ore even RAV4_EV (https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11) that also has hacked his way into the Think BMS.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 03. september 2017, klokken 10:24
Hello,

The version 1.3 of Checkelec is available, identical to previous version but providing Norwegian translation (thanks to Elmo) and Swedish translation (thanks to Saxo56).

The update will be automatic. You can also force the manual update under the Playstore if you deactivated the automatic updates in Android or if you are impatient !  ;)

Enjoy ! :D

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: PRenselsøndag 03. september 2017, klokken 16:32
Sitat fra: elektrolux på mandag 28. august 2017, klokken 14:33
Good Idea! And yes it has OBD plug , but not sure if connections are standard.

Think is not same as Sagem, so you really need to get info from Bau Demo ore even RAV4_EV (https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11) that also has hacked his way into the Think BMS.

I have created some MSDOS programs to unlock and/or reset the Think Simovert controller. I also have the BMS and charger protocols.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxsøndag 03. september 2017, klokken 18:32
Hello Paul

If you have BMS protocol, does that mean you can change overcharging times, service intervals and lov voltage shutdown?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 04. september 2017, klokken 14:07
Finally I have tested Checkelec and by my opinion the app is already quite useful. Not at least for seeing "the 100 V limit" when driving if you have the phone in a holder on the dashboard. We have "Robometer" in two of our PSA Electric's but in the third one we do not see when voltage is close to drop below 100 V so charge lamps will light up and the car will "slow down". Now we do with Checkelec :+1:

I do however have two challenges:
1. In the documentation for the OBDII unit it says that when you leave the car the OBDII unit goes to sleep after 30 minutes and you can only push its "power button" to wake it so the phone will get contact again. This do not seem to work in my car. I need to unplug - plug  :o   I bought this unit: https://www.24hshop.no/hjem-fritid/biltilbehor/bildiagnostikk/mini-vgate-icar-elm327-obd2-bl
2. Two times so far I have experienced that the phone have lost contact with the OBDII unit during driving.


A few inputs (possible options) in addition to reading/clearing faults/codes
1. User selectable display of current & voltage
    a. As today with A & V in same graph
    b. A & V in an upper and lower (separate) graph
2. Would be nice if A & V trace do not delete/refresh when you rotate/tilt phone and also sometimes without rotating phone.

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstirsdag 05. september 2017, klokken 23:19
Thanks for your feedback. :D
I worked on the communication losses. In the next version there will be fewer losses and the reconnection will be faster.
For the power button, I have a vgate model like yours but never try to wake it up after half an hour. I will try and let you know if I have the same problem.
The graphical traces loss is also a problem I expect to fix for the next version.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgeonsdag 06. september 2017, klokken 10:32
One more "input": Two times, including one yesterday, Checkelec have simply stopped with an Android OS message stating that Checkelec have stopped. After that it is impossible to get Checkelec to get contact with the OBDII unit unless I use an app like Advanced Task Killer or simply "settings - manage apps" to completely stop Checkelec ("forced stop"). Starting Checkelec after that and it immediately connects to the OBDII unit.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 06. september 2017, klokken 14:47
Interesting :(. I don't have these types of crashes. Do you know if it happened after a specific action (entering a menu item, or clicking on a button, leaving the app, ...) or when doing nothing particular ?

If you activate the crash report option in Android (https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6078260) and if a new crash occurs again, I will get a report (mainly the error stack) allowing me to identify which component of the app caused the crash.

Regarding the way to force the application closure, there is also a shorter way : you can click on the overview button (https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6073614) to deploy the list of active apps and just swipe the app thumbnail on the side and it will close. The overview button is generally on the left of the home button. On older smartphones there is no overview button but you can access overview by keeping the home button pressed.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 06. september 2017, klokken 20:32
Sitat fra: Steens på onsdag 06. september 2017, klokken 14:47
Regarding the way to force the application closure, there is also a shorter way : you can click on the overview button (https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6073614) to deploy the list of active apps and just swipe the app thumbnail on the side and it will close.

I don't think you are right there Steens.
At least on my Samsung S5 if I do that to any APP I only "loose" the fast-link. And then when I do as Helge explained I still get the "force close" option - prooving that the APP is still running. 
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgefredag 08. september 2017, klokken 12:28
I also have Samsung Galaxy S5 ( but Active-version) as Elmo and experience the same as Elmo.

What I can report is however that it is not always when Checkelec stops that it doesn't manage to connect to the OBDII unit. In fact I have done some efforts to test Checkelec as much as possibly the last two days and most of the times Checkelec stops it actually manages to reconnect to the OBDII unit. But both Wednesday evening, yesterday and today Checkelec HAVE stopped. What I have done when driving is having the telephone sitting in a dashbord phone holder with Checkelec "Monitoring" on. So when Checkelec stops it is usually "for no reason" since I have not done any input to the phone - not touching the screen nor pushing any of the fixed buttons.

BTW: I have doublechecked the small "instruction manual" following the OBDII unit and it clearly states that even when the unit goes to sleep about 30 minutes after you leave the car it can be awakened by pushing the units powerbutton. When I do that Checkelec do however not manage to connect to the OBDII unit. I need to unplug and reconnect the OBDII unit again for Checkelec to connect. I do not know if the problem is with the OBDII unit or Checkelec... I believe you wrote you have such a plug that I do - if so please try this with your OBDII unit.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgefredag 08. september 2017, klokken 12:39
A few screenshots of Checkelec from my phone  :)

It seems that the current maximum scaling (150 A) currently are the borderline between yellow and red in the ECOmeter - at least in both my Saxo's. Is that correct?

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 08. september 2017, klokken 23:57
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 06. september 2017, klokken 20:32
At least on my Samsung S5 if I do that to any APP I only "loose" the fast-link. And then when I do as Helge explained I still get the "force close" option - prooving that the APP is still running.
Yes you are right. I believed that swiping the thumbnail was equivalent to forcing app closure but apparently not. However, when you swipe the thumbnail, there is some app reset (maybe only the graphical interface) because you never retrieve your app in the same state. But it probably lets many things in memory. So the best way is to force the app closure in the application manager.

Sitat fra: Helge på fredag 08. september 2017, klokken 12:28
So when Checkelec stops it is usually "for no reason" since I have not done any input to the phone - not touching the screen nor pushing any of the fixed buttons.
Then probably an error due to the Bluetooth connection. A crash report would help if you want to activate the reporting option as indicated (at least until the next crash). If you don't want because of privacy I understand. However, google will never send private data through these reports, only technical data (For example the name of the functions that caused the crash).

Sitat fra: Helge på fredag 08. september 2017, klokken 12:28
I believe you wrote you have such a plug that I do - if so please try this with your OBDII unit.
Yes I was using the Prodiag every day but following your question I tried the Vgate (same as yours) today. And I discovered that effectively, it shuts down after half an hour. But when I pressed the button... it woke up ! :D Well ! Useful function you made me discover ! However, I have the feeling to have more PSA disconnection with the Vgate. I will try it more in the next days.

Sitat fra: Helge på fredag 08. september 2017, klokken 12:28
It seems that the current maximum scaling (150 A) currently are the borderline between yellow and red in the ECOmeter - at least in both my Saxo's. Is that correct?
Yes : 0A <green> 100A <orange> 150A <red> ~200A
It is generally advised to stay in the green band as much as possible to preserve the motor brushes and its copper collector.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: terjeerilørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 00:20
Hi all. Thanks to Steens for an excellent effort bringing this app for free use.
I have also bought the Vgate, same as Helge and Elexrolux. I have a Peugeot 2001 and connects with at S8 Samsung.
In my experience it works fine, but with some minor issues:

1. The bluetooth connection seems to halt quite often, but I see on the phone that immeadeately conneciton is lost, the phone/app are searching for OBD connection, and it always connects again within 3-5 sec. I dont suspect the app is the problem. Ihave my phone mounted on the dashboard close to the window.

2. The Vgate is online as long as I am driving, but unfortunately it does not power up automatically when i start the car again. Pressing the power button does not help, I have to unplug the Vgate to get it powered. I think the problem is in the Vgate , not the app.

However I am quite happy with the app showing online voltage reading, and I have also tried the balancing program triggered from the app, and it works fine.

Looking forward to further improvements. great work  :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgelørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 22:02
Sitat fra: terjeeri på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 00:20
2. The Vgate is online as long as I am driving, but unfortunately it does not power up automatically when i start the car again. Pressing the power button does not help, I have to unplug the Vgate to get it powered. I think the problem is in the Vgate , not the app.
Exactly as i have described about my OBDII unit! ...and yes, it is tempting to suspect the OBDII unit but on the other hand I find it VERY strange since what is written in the small instruction manual that came with the OBDII unit is PRECISELY that you do NOT need to unplug and reconnect the unit. You only do need to push the power button...??? Still it do not seem to work?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:07
Sitat fra: Helge på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 22:02
Exactly as i have described about my OBDII unit! ...and yes, it is tempting to suspect the OBDII unit . . .
I have three OBD units at my disposal. Two that are my own and that do not work at all with the PSA/Chackelec (the two to the left). The third one (on the rigth) that I have borrowed from a friend is working very well.
It does not have the problems Helge i facing with his Vgate. I can leave the car for hours, and when I return I can open the Checkelec APP and get communacation with the can right away.

So there are obeviously many different OBDII devices. The maybe strangest thing here is that to me the device in the middle (that does not work at all), and the one onthe right (that works very good) looks identical.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:21
Now that I have seen the APP working I realize that my translation to Norwegian can be perfected. I will send you a new/better Norwegian file that you can deplay whenever you have other updates Steens.

I did the translation from English to Norwegian just seeing a textfile.
Now that I see live values in the APP I think some info in the middle below are a kind of strange:
1. "Overlading" = 110 Ah
2. "Vannfyllingsteller" = 0 Ah.
3. "Terskelverdi Vannfylling" = 450 Ah.
I have not yet had time to conneced my Lexia3 to the same car to see, but here are my preliminay thoughts.
Normally we say that the "Vannfyllingsteller" (2) is the one that shows "overlading" (1), so then I wonder which of the two is the right one, and what the other really is.
The "Terskelverdi Vannfylling" show 450Ah og this can. I have never ever seen this value be anythin else than 860Ah, so then I wonder is that Checkelec is reading another value or if this can for some reason actually have a different value.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:46
@Steens. I would like to suggest some small improvements that I think are easy.
I would like to see the Battery voltage and Current in the info-screen (same values that are displayed in the "Overvåking" screen. And I would also like to see the SOC (ie. charging %) in the info screen.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 10. september 2017, klokken 16:10
Sitat fra: Helge på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 22:02
You only do need to push the power button...??? Still it do not seem to work?
Maybe you didn't see my previous answer (https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,34987.msg609867.html#msg609867) as it was lost in the flow of replies but on my Vgate, it works perfectly ! :D The OBD goes sleeping after 30min and when I push the button it turns on again ! The pictures of my Vgate below. In any case the problem is a hardware problem with the OBD and not with the app.

Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:07
I can leave the car for hours, and when I return I can open the Checkelec APP and get communacation with the can right away.
Yes but you don't have this hardware function on your OBD device. So it remains active all day long.

Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:07
The maybe strangest thing here is that to me the device in the middle (that does not work at all), and the one onthe right (that works very good) looks identical.
These are all chinese copies of the OBD. There are copies of the plastic box, copies of the electronics inside. So you can have the same box with a different electronics inside.

Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:21
Now that I see live values in the APP I think some info in the middle below are a kind of strange:
1. "Overlading" = 110 Ah
2. "Vannfyllingsteller" = 0 Ah.
3. "Terskelverdi Vannfylling" = 450 Ah.
Actually I haven't studied this data, I just displayed it in the app as it was in the Lexia software. I might have inverted some of them, so it could be a good thing to check these values with the Lexia but I think it is correct.
Not that theses values are transmitted by the ECU in tenth of Ah (the last zero is added at display), that 's why they always finish with a zero !
It is strange that your "Utlading" and "Vannfyllingsteller" displays are both zero. Let me know if this changes with future drivings. I have the feeling that these values only change at each charge but are not updated in real time. But I'm not sure.
I'm also not sure but I would say that when the value of "Vannfyllingsteller" is equal or above the value of "Terskelverdi vannfylling" the water refill is requested (warning light on).

Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:46
I would like to see the Battery voltage and Current in the info-screen (same values that are displayed in the "Overvåking" screen. And I would also like to see the SOC (ie. charging %) in the info screen.
This can easily be added. Some other people requested the 12V battery voltage to be displayed. I will add this in the future version.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgesøndag 10. september 2017, klokken 20:15
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 16:10
Sitat fra: Helge på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 22:02
You only do need to push the power button...??? Still it do not seem to work?
Maybe you didn't see my previous answer (https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,34987.msg609867.html#msg609867) as it was lost in the flow of replies but on my Vgate, it works perfectly ! :D The OBD goes sleeping after 30min and when I push the button it turns on again ! The pictures of my Vgate below. In any case the problem is a hardware problem with the OBD and not with the app.

Oh yes, I saw your answer  :+1:   But I was replying to a post by "terjeeri" where he explains that he experiences exactly the same problem as me. His Vgate does not seem to wake from sleep either, when pushing the power button.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 10. september 2017, klokken 21:40
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 16:10
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:07
I can leave the car for hours, and when I return I can open the Checkelec APP and get communacation with the can right away.
Yes but you don't have this hardware function on your OBD device. So it remains active all day long.
Yes, it is probably on all the time.
But it does not activate the car unless the APP is connected. Ie. waterpump is not running, but starts running again when the APP sais OBD connected.
So Ithink the is good.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 10. september 2017, klokken 21:50
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 16:10
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:07
The maybe strangest thing here is that to me the device in the middle (that does not work at all), and the one onthe right (that works very good) looks identical.
These are all chinese copies of the OBD. There are copies of the plastic box, copies of the electronics inside. So you can have the same box with a different electronics inside.
Actually, when I look more closely, not even the plastic is same. 
I post this only to help others distinguish between good and bad ones. The bade one here I actually bought i a shop in Norway  >:( :(
See pictures. The good one to the right have numbers on the pins and a "better" OBD logo.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 10. september 2017, klokken 22:01
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 16:10
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:21
Now that I see live values in the APP I think some info in the middle below are a kind of strange:
1. "Overlading" = 110 Ah
2. "Vannfyllingsteller" = 0 Ah.
3. "Terskelverdi Vannfylling" = 450 Ah.
Actually I haven't studied this data, I just displayed it in the app as it was in the Lexia software. I might have inverted some of them, so it could be a good thing to check these values with the Lexia but I think it is correct.
Not that theses values are transmitted by the ECU in tenth of Ah (the last zero is added at display), that 's why they always finish with a zero !
It is strange that your "Utlading" and "Vannfyllingsteller" displays are both zero. Let me know if this changes with future drivings. I have the feeling that these values only change at each charge but are not updated in real time. But I'm not sure.
I'm also not sure but I would say that when the value of "Vannfyllingsteller" is equal or above the value of "Terskelverdi vannfylling" the water refill is requested (warning light on).
I have now checked with LEXIA and all your number are correct :+1:
My P106 actually have the waterfill-limit set to 450 (which is very good) and not 870 (which is way to high). I relly wonder how that happened (never seen this ever before).

The values you see is zero are also OK. The counters have been cleared/reset.
See pictures from today below. I have run the car down to 50% and not charged it yet. Hense Discharge is 50Ah and Counter still 0Ah.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 11. september 2017, klokken 12:34
A nice thing with the Vgate is that it is small and fits under the "fusebox/OBDII-socket plastic cover" (cover can be on). Is that also the case with Prodiag (link from Steens) and the unit you have shown Elmo?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 11. september 2017, klokken 13:57
Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 11. september 2017, klokken 12:34
A nice thing with the Vgate is that it is small and fits under the "fusebox/OBDII-socket plastic cover" (cover can be on). Is that also the case with Prodiag (link from Steens) and the unit you have shown Elmo?
Maybe different from car to car, but in my Saxo 2000 even the bigger one fits under the cover, and in all my P106es the OBD is not behind the cover at all (they are just below the whole dash-plastic).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 11. september 2017, klokken 14:15
Sitat fra: Elmo på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 21:50
Actually, when I look more closely, not even the plastic is same. 
I post this only to help others distinguish between good and bad ones. The bade one here I actually bought i a shop in Norway  >:( :(
See pictures. The good one to the right have numbers on the pins and a "better" OBD logo.
Not much help I am afraid...  :'(  Even the shown images for units that costs only $ 5.28  (nok 41) show a box with "the better OBDII" letters and the most colorbright sticker. Not possible to see if the pins are numbered though. What the units they send looks like - you do not know. I recently received a car antenna (ebay buy) with an antenna foot identical to the one in the picture (and on the car) but the antenna rod was approx half the length and NOT as shown in the picture  >:(
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgefredag 15. september 2017, klokken 13:32
Hi Steens, one more input from me: In Checkelec the current is shown as positiv when current is drawn out of the battery and fed into the motor. I call that current from the motor perspective  ;D  In an electrical vehicle I do however believe that a battery perspective makes more sense. That mean that when you are driving up hill using 100 A you would see - 100 A from your battery while when driving down another road regenerating may see that you battery "gets" + 60 A.

This is not a big issue for me, but I see the Robometer (in one of my Saxo's and my P106) used in a number og Saxo and P106 electric (a least in Norway) do show positive current when the battery is charged and negative current when current is pulled from the battery.

Example of Robometer display
(http://elbilhjelpen.no/images/robometer/3.jpg)

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 15. september 2017, klokken 15:20
Sitat fra: Helge på fredag 15. september 2017, klokken 13:32
This is not a big issue for me, but I see the Robometer (in one of my Saxo's and my P106) used in a number og Saxo and P106 electric (a least in Norway) do show positive current when the battery is charged and negative current when current is pulled from the battery.
This is of course a matter of opinion.
But, to get spent/used kWh as a positive figure, then the current should be positive when drawn from the battery (P=U*I).
It is a while since I saw an operating Robometer but I wonder how yours show the kWh counter ??
Because I think (but I am not sure) that maybe the reason why you see negative current in the picture is because your Robometers current-coile has been installed the wrong way ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgefredag 15. september 2017, klokken 16:26
No, no, no Elmo. The image in the post above is from elbilhjelpens website!! Wrong direction on the current pickup there too? ...and in addition in both the PSA's were I have Robometers? I expect that all these 3 Robometers are installed by different persons (but I do not know for sure. However I know who installed ONE of them and he has not installed any of the two others!).

I will check energy readings in mine :+1:

Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 15. september 2017, klokken 15:20
This is of course a matter of opinion.
Yes of course it is! Main focus on battery or motor. If battery is main focus both current and energy could show negative when you drain the battery. When you subtract energy (minus) the battery will eventually be empty. When you add energy it will soon be "full".
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 15. september 2017, klokken 16:56
I have installed a Robometer ones but as I said dont remember much now.
Anyway. My cars have PacTracR installed. It has used current (out of the battery) in positive (+) figures, and re-generated current (into the battery) in negative (-) figures.
And used power (delivered from the battery to the motor) in positive figures.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenslørdag 16. september 2017, klokken 01:31
Sitat fra: Helge på fredag 15. september 2017, klokken 16:26
Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 15. september 2017, klokken 15:20
This is of course a matter of opinion.
Yes of course it is!
Yes, both sign convention are acceptable, just a question of point of view  ;). For Checkelec I just followed the same convention as in the Lexia software. Except for the charge : if you monitor the charge with Checkelec, you will see that sign convention changes and that the current is positive when feeding the battery. I felt it more intuitive in that way.

Another concern could be the readability of the graph. Following your question, I tried to invert the sign convention in Checkelec and tested it today :
The current curve is now varying in the same directions as the voltage curve and sometimes hides it :
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 16. september 2017, klokken 11:33
On Robometer current is always counted refers to battery as this is a BMS system. ( Battery Monitoring System ) After a full charge you see +15 Ahr as info on overcharging, and this is immediately zeroed out when starting to drive so all consumption is negative. 

With this graph on this app in mind its better to keep as is so Voltage drops as current increases.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgelørdag 16. september 2017, klokken 15:33
Sitat fra: Steens på lørdag 16. september 2017, klokken 01:31
Another concern could be the readability of the graph. Following your question, I tried to invert the sign convention in Checkelec and tested it today :
The current curve is now varying in the same directions as the voltage curve and sometimes hides it :
Yes Steens, readability of the voltage&current graph is a good argument but so far in my eyes the only argument against choosing positive polarity for currents into the battery. However seeing the variations in voltage and current going the same way will partly give a better impression on the status of the battery.

Again this issue about polarity is not a big issue for me but the most clever and versatile way Checkelec could do this would be for the user in SETTINGS to be able to choose/change the polarity  :+1: based on needs and preferences. Maybe you could even choose/change to divide the screen horizontally with one trace in the upper half and the other trace in the lower part. If this is user selectable in the settings it would be great  :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 16. september 2017, klokken 21:19
Sitat fra: Helge på lørdag 16. september 2017, klokken 15:33
. . the most clever and versatile way Checkelec could do this would be for the user in SETTINGS to be able to choose/change the polarity based on needs and preferences.
:+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Pera Lonsdag 20. september 2017, klokken 12:15
Hi Elmo! Must say first that Checelec is fantastic program an a big appalauses for Steens! Maybe we can think some compensation for him...

Just out of main subject; I think that 450Ah overlassning limit is maybe kind of fossile remain in the ECU from the time when PSA thinking also to put Pb batteries in these cars. But overall, 450Ah is excellent watering cap for the old NiCd flooded batteries. I have recommended 3500km or three times per 10000km here in Finland.

i have seen this 450Ah few times but when you change current from net like from 10A to 13A it change cap to 870Ah. If you not reset the watering light in a while then the faultylight turns also on (lightning symbol). Not sure is it then also change charging settings to basic faulty state and system thinks that the battery temperature is +20C. It means that the batteries not getting full charge if real temp is something like -10C or lower. Car still working as normal in driving.

Best regards
Pera L
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Pera Lonsdag 20. september 2017, klokken 12:24
A small correction; not "overlassning", instead I mean overladdnung. Maybe S and D have changed their places in my keyboard... must be so...

Pera L
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 20. september 2017, klokken 12:27
Sitat fra: Pera L på onsdag 20. september 2017, klokken 12:15
450Ah is excellent watering cap for the old NiCd flooded batteries. I have recommended 3500km . .
I totally agree.

Sitat fra: Pera L på onsdag 20. september 2017, klokken 12:15
i have seen this 450Ah few times but when you change current from net like from 10A to 13A it change cap to 870Ah.

That is interesting. I actually set down the chargecurrent from 13A to 10A two months ago because my workplace changed to 10A fuse in the garage.
Would be interesting to hear what other persons with 10A chargecurrent see.   Or maybe I managed to set it to lead-acid ???
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 20. september 2017, klokken 23:46
At last I received the OBD device I ordered on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/251793444202) for 12 USD.
It turned out to be exact the same as Steens show in the picture in post #45 (https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,34987.msg610289.html#msg610289), ie Vgate iCar, and it works just fine ;D :+1:
So now I am in business with my own device.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 22. september 2017, klokken 12:44
Sitat fra: Helge på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 20:15
But I was replying to a post by "terjeeri" where he explains that he experiences exactly the same problem as me.
His Vgate does not seem to wake from sleep either, when pushing the power button.

My Vgate iCar (http://www.ebay.com/itm/251793444202) wakes up when I push the powerbutton
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 22. september 2017, klokken 14:26
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 09. september 2017, klokken 23:21
The "Terskelverdi Vannfylling" show 450Ah og this can. I have never ever seen this value be anything else than 860Ah

Elmo, don't you have in the same time a fault named "Parameters of the Control Unit" ?

I also got this value of 450Ah last week where I always had 860Ah. It happened at the same time when this fault appeared and that was probably just after an ECU reset (by removing a HT fuse). In the same time, all the Ah counters were reset to 0 Ah.

My interpretation is that the reset caused an internal error in the parameters, and that the ECU goes in that case in a mysterious default mode with a lower limitation on the Ah counter (and probably others invisible modifications).

I went back to the normal situation by making a telecoding operation with the Lexia and then clear all the Ah counters (also with Lexia).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 22. september 2017, klokken 16:09
Sitat fra: Steens på fredag 22. september 2017, klokken 14:26
Elmo, don't you have in the same time a fault named "Parameters of the Control Unit" ?

I dont use Lexia very much (prefer evLite for waterservice - until Checkelec came up) but as far as I remember I always get that error on all cars I have had.  I thought that was bacause the Lexia SW is hacked ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 22. september 2017, klokken 19:50
Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 22. september 2017, klokken 16:09
I thought that was bacause the Lexia SW is hacked ??
No, for sure, the reason and consequences of this error is not well known, but it disappears after a telecoding operation (sort of reset of the ECU parameters).
But maybe it appeared if you intentionally modified the ECU parameters by yourself.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 22. september 2017, klokken 23:00
Guess I have to look more closely at the Lexia. Buy the way, I have er program called Proxia too. I like that slightly better.

By "telecoding operation",  do you mean the "load params" operation ??

"modified the ECU parameters by yourself" ?? I did not know that this is possible ?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxsøndag 24. september 2017, klokken 13:34
Har tilgang til å endre PSA parameter.

Kanskje du ønsker mer effektuttak? Høyere toppfart?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Pera Lmandag 25. september 2017, klokken 00:36
Hi lads!
About Proxia and Lexia; chinese are ok. In these days there comes also Diagbox where is also setup for Peugeot iOn, CZero and iMiev including batteries rerefnessing.
Proxia have some better testing for individual components but Lexia have some better other features like more fault announcements.

If you have Lexia and like to do watering charge, then you set up Maintenance Charge. After charging you do watering and then, from Lexia, you set Cancel the Charge. This will remove charge mode you have set. Some cases, like Equalisation Charge, it remove command and set Normal Charge instead. Equalisation Charge does not remove from the memory out of using Cancel the Charge. Instead in the next charge it will do Equalisation Charge until it goes end of this charging which takes some 3-4hours charge top of the normal higher current charge with 7A current for the batteries. Normally treshold for this smaller current charge is something like 214-218V depending batt temp sensor reading and then mentioned 7A. I use this charge for watering but interrupting it after some 2,5-3 hours.

If you setup a new parameter for the net current, then you must (after changing) put the car in charge for some two minutes. Then it takes new parameters in to the memory and also set the gas pedal position correctly. There is also some minor things but not so interesting.
Good idea is put the Ah meter (percentmeter) reading to the memory before changing net current. Otherwise you get some 20-25% reading for the meter, depending what you have saved in Lexiacomputer memory.

Initialisation Charge charges batteries with 10A current for some over 120Ah and it's intended for the new batteries which are totally empty.

About Lexia's error; many times it is because lack of the USB current from the laptop. Chinese LexiaDongle need more current than original, older, dongle.

I'd really like to hear what happends if you guy's set up a new net current with these instructions above.
Also I'd like to hear comments if some more clever guy (real pure propellerhat) than me can give more tips or hints.

I have this Bluetooth Dongle and it works perfectly: http://www.dx.com/p/vgate-icar-pro-bluetooth-3-0-obdii-obd2-elm327-adapter-460199#.Wcgx-Fn-jRY
T'was take long time to come but it is ok.

Best regards
Pera L
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 02. oktober 2017, klokken 16:21
Sitat fra: Elmo på fredag 22. september 2017, klokken 12:44
Sitat fra: Helge på søndag 10. september 2017, klokken 20:15
But I was replying to a post by "terjeeri" where he explains that he experiences exactly the same problem as me.
His Vgate does not seem to wake from sleep either, when pushing the power button.

My Vgate iCar (http://www.ebay.com/itm/251793444202) wakes up when I push the powerbutton

Lucky you  ;)  Men da må du vel fortsatt på Saxo ta av plastdekselet foran sikringene og OBDII kontakten for å få trykket på knappen :(  (om du ikke kjører uten dekselet på da). Jeg foretrekker PRODIAG enheten som jeg kjøpte etter Vgate'n for med den trenger man ikke trykke på noen knapp.

Hadde det ikke vært for terjeeri hadde vel jeg trodd det var feil på bare min iCar Vgate....
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 02. oktober 2017, klokken 19:10
Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 02. oktober 2017, klokken 16:21
Men da må du vel fortsatt på Saxo ta av plastdekselet foran sikringene og OBDII kontakten for å få trykket på knappen :(

Ja det stemmer. Men den våkner automatisk veldig lang tid. Tror vi snakker opp mot ett døgn før jeg må trykke, men jeg har ikke sjekket nøye.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 02. oktober 2017, klokken 20:12
Sitat fra: Elmo på mandag 02. oktober 2017, klokken 19:10
Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 02. oktober 2017, klokken 16:21
Men da må du vel fortsatt på Saxo ta av plastdekselet foran sikringene og OBDII kontakten for å få trykket på knappen :(

Ja det stemmer. Men den våkner automatisk veldig lang tid. Tror vi snakker opp mot ett døgn før jeg må trykke, men jeg har ikke sjekket nøye.
...opp mot et døgn? Da må det kanskje være en annen versjon av Vgate du har.

I den lille papirinstruksjonen som fulgte min står det at den går i dvale ca 30 minutter etter at bilen er stoppet. Men det står også TYDELIG poengtert at da kan man vekke den til live med et trykk på powerknappen. "Tydelig" - fordi de i tillegg presiserer at man ikke trenger å plugge den ut og inn igjen. Men det må altså likevel terjeeri og jeg gjøre. Så derfor bruker jeg nesten bare PRODIAG enheten.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:07
A couple of more things....

1. Checking one of my Saxo's ...the watering cap (terskelverdi) says 870 Ah. This car I've had for 2 years and I have never changed the charging current on that one! So I will check both the other Saxo and my P106. From what I can remember I have changed charging current on two of my PSA EV's including the one that is probably already become nails  :'(  In other words I have changed in one of the cars I have now.

2. For the first time with the PRODIAG OBDII unit I experienced Checkelec stopping yesterday. Had to close Checkelec with Advanced Task Killer to get it to connect again to the PRODIAG unit.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:22
Sitat fra: Helge på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:07
the watering cap (terskelverdi) says 870 Ah.
I would say that this is the normal value, whatever the charge rate you set. I think that the lower value of 450Ah is a kind of "degraded mode" where the ECU goes only after an internal bug requiring a parameter reset (or "load parameters"). It is generally associated with the fault "Parameters of the Control Unit".

Sitat fra: Helge på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:07
I experienced Checkelec stopping yesterday. Had to close Checkelec with Advanced Task Killer to get it to connect again to the PRODIAG unit.
What kind of stopping ? App freeze ? Or PSA connection unrecoverable ? I changed many things in the next version so that there will be fewer disconnections and less app crash. Coming soon...  ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 21:26
Sitat fra: Steens på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:22
I changed many things in the next version so that there will be fewer disconnections and less app crash. Coming soon...  ;)
HI Steens.
I have had some problems with the scale on the current (see picture). As you can see it goes form 0 to 20A. Not sure if it was a temporary problem or if it's fixed now, but when I open it now even with no car connected I see -100 to + 150 A.

First picture from left, I am charging with my homemade semifastcharger.  Second is with only the cars charger. On these two we need to change the heading from "Lading" to "Lader". Third is after the charger is disconnected. Heading "Lading stoppet" is fine. Then on the fourth I am driving. The heading "Lading stoppet" is not so appropriate. Not sure if this is a translation problem (by me) or a program state problem ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 23:51
When you start a charge, the app replaces the pages "charge" and "monitoring" by a special page to monitor the charge. It looks like the "monitoring" page but with the following differences :
When you stop the charge, the "charge monitoring" page remains so you can look at the curve. Once you come back to the menu, you will retrieve the normal pages in "monitoring" and "charge".
So what you describe seems ok to me, just go back to the menu and return in "monitoring" page before driving. The only problem is when you charge with a current higher than 20A. I will think about it for a future evolution.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 04. oktober 2017, klokken 10:24
Sitat fra: Steens på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 23:51
When you stop the charge, the "charge monitoring" page remains so you can look at the curve. Once you come back to the menu, you will retrieve the normal pages in "monitoring" and "charge".
OK, so my observation was due to "user error" :-[
But as you can see I did not see any curve at all, even if the charging + driving lasted for over an hour :(

Sitat fra: Steens på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 23:51
- The current scale is adapted to the charge (but maybe not to fast chargers :-[ )
My semi-fast-charger is not very fast. I think I can get up to about 50A current including the internal charger.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 04. oktober 2017, klokken 10:42
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 04. oktober 2017, klokken 10:24
But as you can see I did not see any curve at all, even if the charging + driving lasted for over an hour :(
Both graphs were after 1 hour ? Do you mean the app was connected (not in background) during one hour, or you entered in the monitoring page after one hour ? We can see on the second that there is at least two points.

On the first graph, the current is out of scale so it's not surprising that there is no current curve but we should see the voltage curve
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 04. oktober 2017, klokken 21:54
No, the first graph (36A) was when I started charging, the 9A and 0A was some 30+ minutes later when I disconnected the charging and the last (-106A) was while driving som 10 minutes later. As far as I know it was connected all the time.
But rather than pursuing this now, I think I will try it out again then your new version is available.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Pera Lsøndag 08. oktober 2017, klokken 02:06
Hi Elmo! Have you put your extra charge coupling to the fast charge poles in the top of the elbox? Seen from the front, two most left poles? Connected that way I get correct readings and car system also noticed total charge.

Yesterday I had Partner in my workshop and there was glowing fault light and watering light. Lexia was give several warnings and the overcharge was something like 1200h and calculator was saying 1120h. I telecoding current from the net to 13A, after that I put car for charging some one minute and everything was ok; over charge limit was change to 870h.
Before I changed these things I was checking all the four memories and Lexia say's they were ok. Life is so unpredictable....

I also using Diagbox which is newer PSA program. It includes also Lexia and you can choose what you using.

About Checkelec, I found it very useful to see what state the charge is. Car charging outside in the pouring rain and program tell's me in the warm inside of the house voltages and currents. Skool, Steens! Excellent travail!

Best regards
Pera L
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 08. oktober 2017, klokken 10:57
Sitat fra: Pera L på søndag 08. oktober 2017, klokken 02:06
Have you put your extra charge coupling to the fast charge poles in the top of the elbox? Seen from the front, two most left poles? Connected that way I get correct readings and car system also noticed total charge.

I actually have er Marechal chargingcord that includes the fast-charging connectors - which connects to the poles you are mentioning :+1:
Ito get correct radings using Lexia or evLite, so the problem that I menioned must have been with the app og my phone.

I have seen the Diagbox program om my disks, but I never understood that this is actually an alternative to Lexia/Proxia/PP2000 that I have all tried.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Niram1969 .onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 09:02
Hi Steens,
Here are my observations about your wonderful app. I have lithiumized Saxo, Y1000 version of Sagembox, ECU version is 4.3 (based on my not so reliable memory :), 105kkm, 67kkm on lithium).
ODB adapter is Vgate iCar2 from https://tinyurl.com/iCar2 . It connects well and is awaken after asleep by pressing button. Mobile phone is ancient Samsung GT-i9000 loaded vith Android ver. 6.0.1 (serves well as BMS data display).

Current values are OK. Maximum current is 200A, my BMS confirms the same value. Picture represents  maximum acceleration to max. speed for 4 minutes. 
Voltage values are not correct. It seems that they are off by 26%. I will collect more data and give you exact value.

Once the app lost link, sliding it off and restarting reestablished connection.

Interesting fact - since I monitor battery current and this app motor current, I have confirmed what I have noticed for some time - just before full stop, if brakes are pressed (for pedal switch activation),  engine reverts from regen and enters dissipative  braking mode. (not by much, 4A only but you can feel slight jerk). I suspect something similar happens on emergency braking on larger scale.

//Marin
 
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:40
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 04. oktober 2017, klokken 10:24
But as you can see I did not see any curve at all, even if the charging + driving lasted for over an hour :(

I think maybe I know the cause of my problem above.
Today I had the logging on during a 27km drive to work with my Saxo. It work fine all the time, so I wanted to take a screenshot. 
BUT, when I took up the phone to do it, the screen flipped (vertical to horisontal) and all the logging was gone :o :(

Is that something you can fix Steens ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:42
Sitat fra: Niram1969 . på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 09:02
Voltage values are not correct. It seems that they are off by 26%. I will collect more data and give you exact value.
Hi Marin,
Thanks for your feedback. I already noticed this problem. It is confirmed by your screenshots : your ECU has an Autodiag version 31 while the most common version is 32 (And the app was developped for v32). In Autodiag v31, there is a different scaling coefficient for voltage. The next Checkelec version will take the Autodiag version into account. I have estimated the coefficient for v31 but I still need a more precise value. Do you have the Lexia software ?
Sitat fra: Elmo på søndag 08. oktober 2017, klokken 10:57
I have seen the Diagbox program om my disks, but I never understood that this is actually an alternative to Lexia/Proxia/PP2000 that I have all tried.
Diagbox is just a PSA user interface working for all PSA vehicles (not only electric ones) and that launches the right program depending on your vehicle selection. So if you select "Saxo", it will launch Lexia and if you select "106", it will launch PP2000.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgeonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:51
Sitat fra: Steens på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:22
Sitat fra: Helge på tirsdag 03. oktober 2017, klokken 16:07
I experienced Checkelec stopping yesterday. Had to close Checkelec with Advanced Task Killer to get it to connect again to the PRODIAG unit.
What kind of stopping ? App freeze ? Or PSA connection unrecoverable ? I changed many things in the next version so that there will be fewer disconnections and less app crash. Coming soon...  ;)
So far it has been 3 times in Checkelec voltage/current monitoring mode that the graph has stopped (permanently) when using my PRODIAG OBDII unit. I am not sure about all three times but the first time the software simply stopped/closed/disappeared and the last time so far it was only the communication that stopped and Checkelec managed to reconnect. I have BTW had much fewer such incidents with the PRODIAG OBDII unit then with the Vgate (more often with my Vgate).

Additionally I sometimes also experience that the graph seems to go into "pause" with no update/activity on current/voltage values before the graph suddenly jumps quite a bit to the right with just one sample and then continues "as normal".

I am looking forward to the new version  :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:53
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:40
BUT, when I took up the phone to do it, the screen flipped (vertical to horisontal) and all the logging was gone :o :(

Is that something you can fix Steens ??
I know, it happened to me recently also :( ! I definitely need to correct this. However, for the coming version I worked on fault codes reading/clearing and water need clearing (and bug correction). I will then work on data logging for the following version.

By the way, I'm looking for a beta tester to test the water need clearing function. So, if someone plan a maintenance charge with water refill in the very next days, I can provide a beta version. Let me know.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Niram1969 .onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:55
Yes, I have Lexia. I'll report my findings.

//Marin
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 14:13
Sitat fra: Steens på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 10:53
By the way, I'm looking for a beta tester to test the water need clearing function. So, if someone plan a maintenance charge with water refill in the very next days, I can provide a beta version. Let me know.

I can do that. I dont think either of mye cars need watherservice right now, but I am happy to clear the conter on one of them without doing the maintenance charge, og actually do the maintenance charge too if you think that is importene.
Ie. I guess it is sufficient too see that the counter goes to 0, but maybe you would like to verify that the wather-light is turned off too ?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 14:15
Diagbox is just a PSA user interface working for all PSA vehicles (not only electric ones) and that launches the right program depending on your vehicle selection. So if you select "Saxo", it will launch Lexia and if you select "106", it will launch PP2000.
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I dont understand why tis is interesting/necessary :-\   Both Lexia and PP2000 works on both Citroen and Peugeot, and also on non-electric cars.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 14:30
Well, actually I programmed the app so that the water reset page appears only when the water light is on. There may be a problem on that point (the page may not appear as expected!).
So I would like to test the complete cycle (launch maintenance charge, do the refill and try to clear the need and light with the app). My car won't require a maintenance charge before the end of the year, so that's why I'm looking for a beta tester ;D .

Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 14:15
I dont understand why tis is interesting/necessary :-\   Both Lexia and PP2000 works on both Citroen and Peugeot, and also on non-electric cars.
It's absolutely unnecessary nor interesting as soon as you are able to launch Lexia or pp2000 directly !  8)
I think that diagbox was created by PSA for professionals so that they don't need to know which software to launch depending on the car they work on. There are also additionnal functions like link with on line support or data but you need a professional account.
Eventually, it's also a very heavy software for an old xp pc. Very long to install (several hours, really :o !) and also very performance consuming (your pc need a good cpu fan !).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 16:48
Sitat fra: Steens på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 14:30
So I would like to test the complete cycle (launch maintenance charge, do the refill and try to clear the need and light with the app). My car won't require a maintenance charge before the end of the year, so that's why I'm looking for a beta tester ;D .
I'll check the "Counter" on my cars today, and see. I'm sure they don't really need it, but I think it's not so long away that it's OK to do it.

EDIT: confirmed, I can do waterservice on my P106 any time it suits you Steens
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapeonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 20:33
Hello Steens,
Thanks for a great program !!
I have been missing something like this.

I was lucky my cheep 3 years china OBDII worked in first shout :)
It do not turn off by it self..

However I have experienced that My phone crashed totally..
I have not been able to replicate so far, so this is just for info :)
By accident I shortly pushed the power button on the phone (screen turned off). Pushed it again and used fingerprint sensor to login. Only background was visible (no icons).
And Phone was unresponsive.. Screen went black and only holding the power button i 10sec could make it reboot..
Phone oneplus 2.. Danish lang...

Well I also have some comments and questions :)
Can see others have a lot of good wishes so I leave them out.

1. I see from the other screen shuts that the measuring range in the V/A graph can be made to 200V ..
How can I change that ?

2. Could the app. be made "wife safe" with a password to menu where settings can be changed?
I will be unhappy to find that the charge mode or other was suddenly changed because someone has played with app. :)

Thanks for your great work !

Br.

Note. to others. I did not understand all that about AH ec.. in the tread.
Could some one shortly explain ??
Here is My screendump :

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:12
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 20:33
Note. to others. I did not understand all that about AH ec.. in the tread.
Could some one shortly explain ??
Sorry. I don't understand what you don't understand. Please refrase the question.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapeonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:48
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:12
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 20:33
Note. to others. I did not understand all that about AH ec.. in the tread.
Could some one shortly explain ??
Sorry. I don't understand what you don't understand. Please refrase the question.

:) :) That was a good one :) :)
Had just read through all comments, so all the discussion fresh in mind :)
Here is what i did not understand :)

I meant the whole discussion about AH values and Parameters fault stored in ECU..

Starting around #66
Sitat
Elmo, don't you have in the same time a fault named "Parameters of the Control Unit"

I was looking for the meaning and consequences for the app. status. And if that was something I should be aware off.
Guess I was lost in meaning after a while.. :)

About water service..
I normally do not wait for the lamp..
I set in maint. charge and wait for lamp. Then reset need for water.. (and set charge mode normal).
So I guess i will be great if the water service could be triggered manually in the app. (or it was possible to reset need for water. :)

Thanks
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 23:24
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:48
I meant the whole discussion about AH values and Parameters fault stored in ECU..

Starting around #66
Sitat
Elmo, don't you have in the same time a fault named "Parameters of the Control Unit"

I was looking for the meaning and consequences for the app. status. And if that was something I should be aware off.
Guess I was lost in meaning after a while.. :)
That was about how come some cars' water-refill-threshold value sometimes is different than normal (860). And if there are other faultindications too when it happens. No relevance to the app. status as such.

Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:48
About water service..
I normally do not wait for the lamp..
I set in maint. charge and wait for lamp. Then reset need for water.. (and set charge mode normal).
So I guess i will be great if the water service could be triggered manually in the app. (or it was possible to reset need for water. :)
You should NOT drive until you get the lamp before you decide to do watermaintenance !
The normal water-refill-threshold value is 860 (as far as I remember). This value has shown to be way to high for most cars/batteries. I can see that yours is even higher (950) :-1-:  NOT good.
I recommend to do watermaintenance when water-refill-counter is 500Ah, which usually is after 3500-4000km
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstorsdag 12. oktober 2017, klokken 09:51
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:48
About water service..
I normally do not wait for the lamp..
I set in maint. charge and wait for lamp. Then reset need for water.. (and set charge mode normal).
So I guess i will be great if the water service could be triggered manually in the app. (or it was possible to reset need for water. :)
You can already trigger the maintenance charge by clicking on the maintenance button in the "charge" page of the app.
However, the current version will not allow you to clear the water need (and lamp) at the end of the water refill.
In the next version that will be possible. And that function will appear only when the lamp will be lit on the car dashboard.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetorsdag 12. oktober 2017, klokken 10:11
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 23:24
The normal water-refill-threshold value is 860 (as far as I remember). This value has shown to be way to high for most cars/batteries. ................

A minor detail, but it is 870 in all my three Electric PSA's (2xSaxo & 1x106)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 12. oktober 2017, klokken 14:42
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 23:24
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:48
I meant the whole discussion about AH values and Parameters fault stored in ECU..

Starting around #66
Sitat
Elmo, don't you have in the same time a fault named "Parameters of the Control Unit"

I was looking for the meaning and consequences for the app. status. And if that was something I should be aware off.
Guess I was lost in meaning after a while.. :)
That was about how come some cars' water-refill-threshold value sometimes is different than normal (860). And if there are other faultindications too when it happens. No relevance to the app. status as such.

Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 11. oktober 2017, klokken 22:48
About water service..
I normally do not wait for the lamp..
I set in maint. charge and wait for lamp. Then reset need for water.. (and set charge mode normal).
So I guess i will be great if the water service could be triggered manually in the app. (or it was possible to reset need for water. :)
You should NOT drive until you get the lamp before you decide to do watermaintenance !
The normal water-refill-threshold value is 860 (as far as I remember). This value has shown to be way to high for most cars/batteries. I can see that yours is even higher (950) :-1-:  NOT good.
I recommend to do watermaintenance when water-refill-counter is 500Ah, which usually is after 3500-4000km

Thanks for clarification :) 

I NEVER wait for the lamp...
Normally I do the water service around 2000 - 3000 km. Depending on the use of Car and seasons of year :)

Thanks Steens, for adding the "clear the water need" function :)
Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetirsdag 24. oktober 2017, klokken 14:47
Dear Steens,
Any news on the app. ?

Is there a place where I can follow the development ?

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 10:57
Sitat fra: timescape på tirsdag 24. oktober 2017, klokken 14:47
Any news on the app. ?
The V2.0 is not far from being released :) but still under final debugging :-\ !

Sitat fra: timescape på tirsdag 24. oktober 2017, klokken 14:47
Is there a place where I can follow the development ?
I may setup a website in the future to give information, collect requests, etc. but have no time for that actually :(
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: saxo56onsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 16:50
Hi Steens
I have notised that when i drive, the app shows volt and current in DC but when i charge it shows volt in DC but current in AC. Is it possible to make it show current in DC even in charging mode?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapeonsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 20:56
Sitat fra: saxo56 på onsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 16:50
Hi Steens
I have notised that when i drive, the app shows volt and current in DC but when i charge it shows volt in DC but current in AC. Is it possible to make it show current in DC even in charging mode?

noticed the same yesterday..
DC charge current was displayed to 16A..
But I should be charging with arox. 22ADC (14Aac)..

My saxo is set to 14Aac. But I wanted to verify with a clamp amp., before I wrote .. But have not got the time to verify yet.. :)
br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 22:38
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 20:56
DC charge current was displayed to 16A..
But I should be charging with arox. 22ADC (14Aac)..
Yes, there may be an error in the scaling factor of the current. I haven't made measurements yet, so if somebody can provide current measurement (with an amp clamp) with associated displayed value on the app, this would help a lot to set the right scaling factor.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 25. oktober 2017, klokken 23:38
I have current-measure-solenoid installed on one car together with PakTracR and I have Amp clamp-meter  :D 8)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotorsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 11:29
Tested on one of my cars.  Charging set to 10A AC.   Checkelec shows 6A.  Clamp-metee shows 9,2A
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstorsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 11:44
Sitat fra: Elmo på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 11:29
Tested on one of my cars.  Charging set to 10A AC.   Checkelec shows 6A.  Clamp-metee shows 9,2A
Saxo or 106 ? They are supposed to be the same but on my 106 set on 10A AC, Checkelec shows 10A during charge and then 5A during overcharge. What does Checkelec show on yours during overcharge phase ?
Did you measure the 9.2A on one of the cables connected to the battery fuse or on the charging cable ?
I have a clamp amp meter but never measured. I will do this next week, my car being actually under maintenance : two battery blocks to change :'( !
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotorsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 12:28
That was a 106 (se info attached). I measured on a batterycable.
I only tested briefly this morning, when the batteries were close to empty. Will test more later.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
Sitat fra: Steens på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 11:44
Sitat fra: Elmo på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 11:29
Tested on one of my cars.  Charging set to 10A AC.   Checkelec shows 6A.  Clamp-metee shows 9,2A
Saxo or 106 ? They are supposed to be the same but on my 106 set on 10A AC, Checkelec shows 10A during charge and then 5A during overcharge. What does Checkelec show on yours during overcharge phase ?
Did you measure the 9.2A on one of the cables connected to the battery fuse or on the charging cable ?
I have a clamp amp meter but never measured. I will do this next week, my car being actually under maintenance : two battery blocks to change :'( !

Hi Steens,
Sorry to hear about your battery bloks.. It takes time to change ..

Have just measured My SAXO from -97..
The Car was almost fully charged..
I measured:
14Aac on the mains.
18,3ADC with current clamp on battery wire..
The app. shows -13ADC / -14ADC ( It must be close to 13,5 as it changes from time to time) :)

Please note that the Battery current will change during charge.. It depends on the Battery voltage !
If the car is set to 14A from mains it will pull 14A from the mains.. this is the constant.
If the battery voltage is low , the charge current will be higher (20-22ADC).. transferred effekt from mains  (I*U=P).
Also the mains voltage will affect the Charge current as transferred effekt W will be affected .. (I*U=P).
example (lossless). amp setting 14A
14A*220Vac = 3080W From mains.

Battery voltage 130VDC
3080W/130V = 23,6ADC battery current.. :)

(I have noticed that the charge graf has MAX 20ADC .. Has to have higher MAX (25A ?).
Same during driving SAXO can pul 200A from the battery. But graf only goes to 150A...  :)

Hope this can be at any help.
Thanks again for your brilliant work..
Br
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotorsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:53
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
(I have noticed that the charge graf has MAX 20ADC .. Has to have higher MAX (25A ?).
Of cource my problem (only ???), but I have external equipment so that I can charge with up to about 60A DC.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 14:02
Sitat fra: Elmo på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:53
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
(I have noticed that the charge graf has MAX 20ADC .. Has to have higher MAX (25A ?).
Of cource my problem (only ???), but I have external equipment so that I can charge with up to about 60A DC.

LOL. Me Too.. DC charge..   :) :)
But I think.. the App. do not need to include that support :)
Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenslørdag 28. oktober 2017, klokken 23:33
Sitat fra: Elmo på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 11:29
Tested on one of my cars.  Charging set to 10A AC.   Checkelec shows 6A.  Clamp-metee shows 9,2A
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
14Aac on the mains.
18,3ADC with current clamp on battery wire..
So in Elmo case we have a DC nearly equal to AC current, and in Timescape case we have a DC current higher than AC. Strange...  ???
It could be good to have the Lexia (or equivalent) value also with these measurements if possible.
You have also different high and low voltage software versions (Timescape V3.50 vs Elmo V3.3C). It could be possible that the scaling is different following those versions.

Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
Please note that the Battery current will change during charge.. It depends on the Battery voltage !
I don't think that the charge is performed at constant power, but rather at constant current. It's at least what is indicated by the ECU (whatever the scaling coefficient, the returned current value is constant during the charge).
So I think that the power drawn from main will increase during charge (assuming that the charger thermal losses are constant).

Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
Same during driving SAXO can pul 200A from the battery. But graf only goes to 150A...  :)
Yes I know, but as 200A is in the red econometer part, I voluntarily stopped the graph at 150A (orange/red limit) to have a better resolution in the normal operation range. I suppose you rarely go above 150A ? Personally, I rarely go above 100A.
I's the same in the negative part : the graph is limited at -100A. If you make a very big regen braking you can go below but as it is rare it's not worth reducing the graph resolution for that.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 28. oktober 2017, klokken 23:40
Sitat fra: Steens på lørdag 28. oktober 2017, klokken 23:33
It could be good to have the Lexia (or equivalent) value also with these measurements if possible.
You have also different high and low voltage software versions (Timescape V3.50 vs Elmo V3.3C). It could be possible that the scaling is different following those versions.
When i get time . . . I can verify the current in Checkelec with both evLite and Lexia on all my cars. I thnk I have only V3.3C cars, but I will of course document that too.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapesøndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 10:50
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
14Aac on the mains.
18,3ADC with current clamp on battery wire..
So in Elmo case we have a DC nearly equal to AC current, and in Timescape case we have a DC current higher than AC. Strange...  ???
It could be good to have the Lexia (or equivalent) value also with these measurements if possible.
You have also different high and low voltage software versions (Timescape V3.50 vs Elmo V3.3C). It could be possible that the scaling is different following those versions.

Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
Please note that the Battery current will change during charge.. It depends on the Battery voltage !
I don't think that the charge is performed at constant power, but rather at constant current. It's at least what is indicated by the ECU (whatever the scaling coefficient, the returned current value is constant during the charge).
So I think that the power drawn from main will increase during charge (assuming that the charger thermal losses are constant).

Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 26. oktober 2017, klokken 13:36
Same during driving SAXO can pul 200A from the battery. But graf only goes to 150A...  :)
Yes I know, but as 200A is in the red econometer part, I voluntarily stopped the graph at 150A (orange/red limit) to have a better resolution in the normal operation range. I suppose you rarely go above 150A ? Personally, I rarely go above 100A.
I's the same in the negative part : the graph is limited at -100A. If you make a very big regen braking you can go below but as it is rare it's not worth reducing the graph resolution for that.
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Your mains current is you stable constant during charge. (in my case set to 14Aac). Unless the Charger for some reason limits the Battery DC Current (almost full batteries). :)
For Me, and I am not the expert here :) . It looks like you are showing the ac mains current. I measured 14Aac from mains and the app. showed 14ADC current..
I can however see the point in that you are probably looking at same byte/telegram for both charging and discharging ?

The DC current to the batteries should not be constant during charge. At least as I have understand the principle in the charger. Of cause there can differences in firmware. So I will check with Lexia to and we can compare with Elmo :)

Elmo, what is your ac current set to during charging ?
Mine is 14Aac. We should set the same value for reference :)

The Charger rectify the Mains to get the high internal BUS DC to switch down to Battery charging Voltage/current. (like a normal sw-mode supply).
However because the current draw from the mains is so high, the charger uses a PFC (Power Factor Correction) stage, to obtain nearly PF 1 from the Mains (like resistive load). 
https://www.renesas.com/en-us/solutions/key-technology/power-management/pfc.html
The Service manual indicates the same.. Se picture :)

Again, I understand Power electronics, But I am not a great programmer :) :)
I am very thankful for your work. It is really helpfull.
In a small try to understand the data packages you are using.. Is it RDD byte 5 you are looking at ?
(see picture, sorry it is in Danish. RDD byte 5 should be "Current HV-battery".

Yes, I do run the car in yellow/RED on econometer often. The City I live in have hils around it and people gets "pissed" if I am too slow :)

Thanks





Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 14:16
Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 10:50
It looks like you are showing the ac mains current. I measured 14Aac from mains and the app. showed 14ADC current..
[...]
Is it RDD byte 5 you are looking at ?
Yes, I'm using this byte, that's why I said that's the ECU current data. So the problem is actually to determine the scaling factor to apply to this byte data to have the real value. But whatever this scaling factor is, this value remains constant so that's why I was talking about a CC charge (Constant current).

I'm not a battery expert, but I know that most of the battery technologies (Nicd, Nimh, Lipo, etc.) are charged using a CC/CV method (Constant current phase followed by a constant voltage phase). The PSA Nicd seem to be charged using a CC/CC method (according to SAFT docs).

Regarding the display, I think that the scaling factor is around 1.41 which is roughly the square root of 2, the ratio between peak and RMS current (i.e. between AC and DC). I don't know if this is just random or if there is a reason for that but in every case, the value I consider is representing the battery current measured by the ECU and not the main current.

By the way, where does the table of your second picture comes from ? I would be very interested to get the source document. No problem if it is in Danish, Google will help me ! ;D

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 10:50
Yes, I do run the car in yellow/RED on econometer often. The City I live in have hils around it and people gets "pissed" if I am too slow :)
Don't you have problems with your motor brushes and/or copper collector ?
For my part, I have also a big hill (10% capacity used on way and 10% on return just for that hill). And as I have every day nearly 60km with 40km at nearly 100A for 90km/h, I try to not go above 100A despite the car flashes from others ! 8)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 15:05
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 14:16
By the way, where does the table of your second picture comes from ? I would be very interested to get the source document.
Maybe one of there documents holds what you are looking for Steens ?
SAFT_Tech_manual (http://www.e-m-w.com/manuals/SAFT%20Tech%20manual)  or  SAFT charge mode manual (http://www.e-m-w.com/manuals/SAFT_Stm5-100mre.ChargeMode.pdf)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapesøndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 14:16
Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 10:50
It looks like you are showing the ac mains current. I measured 14Aac from mains and the app. showed 14ADC current..
[...]
Is it RDD byte 5 you are looking at ?
Yes, I'm using this byte, that's why I said that's the ECU current data. So the problem is actually to determine the scaling factor to apply to this byte data to have the real value. But whatever this scaling factor is, this value remains constant so that's why I was talking about a CC charge (Constant current).

I'm not a battery expert, but I know that most of the battery technologies (Nicd, Nimh, Lipo, etc.) are charged using a CC/CV method (Constant current phase followed by a constant voltage phase). The PSA Nicd seem to be charged using a CC/CC method (according to SAFT docs).

Regarding the display, I think that the scaling factor is around 1.41 which is roughly the square root of 2, the ratio between peak and RMS current (i.e. between AC and DC). I don't know if this is just random or if there is a reason for that but in every case, the value I consider is representing the battery current measured by the ECU and not the main current.

By the way, where does the table of your second picture comes from ? I would be very interested to get the source document. No problem if it is in Danish, Google will help me ! ;D

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 10:50
Yes, I do run the car in yellow/RED on econometer often. The City I live in have hils around it and people gets "pissed" if I am too slow :)
Don't you have problems with your motor brushes and/or copper collector ?
For my part, I have also a big hill (10% capacity used on way and 10% on return just for that hill). And as I have every day nearly 60km with 40km at nearly 100A for 90km/h, I try to not go above 100A despite the car flashes from others ! 8)

Hi Steens,
The document can be found in a zip file linked to from . In the "Dansk" folder. (I looked it is not in the French language folder. But maybe you can find it on the French forum..).
Direct link:
http://uldalen.no/Elbil/Verkstedmanualer-PSA.zip

It is a big doc. and I have not been reading it all carefully yet. Only skimming :)
It covers all PSA I guess. AX, SAXO, 106 ec..

Page 145. Starts about Charging..

Page 147. you will see the Normal charge graf..
When starting charge from empty batteries, the charger is in "constant Power" charging.
Please see picture from SAFT datasheet. Current or power charging difference.. In Power charging upto 140W module is allowed. So if battery is at 6V .. 140/6=23,3A  ..
The charger will pull what is allowed from the programed setting max amp. from the mains (it is a 3 kwa charger. So max 3000W + loss).

Page 149.. Here we go.. A lot about the protocol, telegrams ec... :)
If you need some help translating some of it, just tell me the part and I can to english :)


I have never had any issues with driving the car as you will drive a normal car to follow normal traffic. (If possible).
But noticed some saying to avoid yellow or red. But my mindset is to test things (I am an electronic test engineer).
If it break .. it is just not made good enuf.. (and I have to improve it :) yes :) ).
Have been driving on a test track in it 5 rounds. Foot fully down - Braking - Sliding corner -  Foot fully down .... ad so on.. (OK, the Teslas was faster than Me :) ).
The car did not break ! :)
The cost was from 100 to 65% power. Motor was not hot.. But all the fuses was nice warm, and brake discs have never been more shining :)
Checked coal and kommutator when home again, all looked fine. :)

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensmandag 30. oktober 2017, klokken 13:56
On the road again 8) ! I changed 3 battery blocks this weekend !

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
The document can be found in a zip file linked to from . In the "Dansk" folder. (I looked it is not in the French language folder. But maybe you can find it on the French forum..).
Thanks for the link  ;). I had never seen this interesting document :o and I'm sure that we don't have an equivalent on the French forum (Although some equivalent chapters can be found in other documents).

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
When starting charge from empty batteries, the charger is in "constant Power" charging.
I'm not Danish fluent ;) : on page 147, they talk about "konstant effekt" -> does that mean "constant power" ? Google translates this by "constant effect".

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
Please see picture from SAFT datasheet. Current or power charging difference.. In Power charging upto 140W module is allowed.
When I look at the SAFT documentation (http://www.solarmobil.net/download/SAFT-technical-manual.pdf) I read in §5.2.4 (page 18) that the MRE batteries shall be charged at constant current (20A).
In that SAFT document (http://www.e-m-w.com/manuals/SAFT_Stm5-100mre.ChargeMode.pdf) (where your table comes from), they talk about the possibility to charge at constant power or constant current.

I found in a commercial PSA document (http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Download/FormCom106elec.pdf) page 49/51 that the charge are supposed to be performed at constant current. But that document is a tech-commercial one so maybe not technically accurate.

In that Saxo technical document (http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Download/SaxoElectricite2.pdf) on page 23(15), they show charge graphs with varying current without more information.

Finally, what is sure is that the ECU shows a constant current value during charging in the transmitted data. As this data is the same as the one used to represent current drawn out of the battery during driving, I supposed it was also representing the current pulled in the battery during charging. But maybe it is the current drawn from main during charging ?

So the charging method used by PSA and the meaning of the current value read in the data messages are still not clear for me ??? .
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapemandag 30. oktober 2017, klokken 19:11
Sitat fra: Steens på mandag 30. oktober 2017, klokken 13:56
On the road again 8) ! I changed 3 battery blocks this weekend !

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
The document can be found in a zip file linked to from . In the "Dansk" folder. (I looked it is not in the French language folder. But maybe you can find it on the French forum..).
Thanks for the link  ;). I had never seen this interesting document :o and I'm sure that we don't have an equivalent on the French forum (Although some equivalent chapters can be found in other documents).

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
When starting charge from empty batteries, the charger is in "constant Power" charging.
I'm not Danish fluent ;) : on page 147, they talk about "konstant effekt" -> does that mean "constant power" ? Google translates this by "constant effect".

Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 29. oktober 2017, klokken 23:25
Please see picture from SAFT datasheet. Current or power charging difference.. In Power charging upto 140W module is allowed.
When I look at the SAFT documentation (http://www.solarmobil.net/download/SAFT-technical-manual.pdf) I read in §5.2.4 (page 18) that the MRE batteries shall be charged at constant current (20A).
In that SAFT document (http://www.e-m-w.com/manuals/SAFT_Stm5-100mre.ChargeMode.pdf) (where your table comes from), they talk about the possibility to charge at constant power or constant current.

I found in a commercial PSA document (http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Download/FormCom106elec.pdf) page 49/51 that the charge are supposed to be performed at constant current. But that document is a tech-commercial one so maybe not technically accurate.

In that Saxo technical document (http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Download/SaxoElectricite2.pdf) on page 23(15), they show charge graphs with varying current without more information.

Finally, what is sure is that the ECU shows a constant current value during charging in the transmitted data. As this data is the same as the one used to represent current drawn out of the battery during driving, I supposed it was also representing the current pulled in the battery during charging. But maybe it is the current drawn from main during charging ?

So the charging method used by PSA and the meaning of the current value read in the data messages are still not clear for me ??? .

Hi Steens,
grate you got the blocks changed :)

"konstant effekt" ->  mean "constant power" Yes..
However it is not clear to Me if there is difference between FW rev. Or if it is a setting you can choose in Lexia ec. (I have not found it yet..
I can be wrong here, my car is almost fully charged. I will verify on next charge :)

But I have investigated a little :)
I think the byte you look at is right and it do show DC charge current..
But the scale is wrong/different hven charging ......

2 reasons :)
1. If I do only DC-charge (no current from ac mains). 4A DC into battery, the app changed between 2-3A..
So it do measure DC-current .. !
Note. current into Battery will be lower than 4A. (forgot to measure exact value). Approx 3,5A.. The DC-DC 12V converter will take power to run water pump/electronic ec., from DC before the current sensor in car).

2. when looking at the saft charge data. It says DC-charge up to 150A (please see picture).
So can scale divide  0->150A.  ?

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 31. oktober 2017, klokken 20:11
I did a small test while charging my Saxo today, measuring the DC chargingcurrent to the battery using several different measures. DC1 gives about 10A and DC2 gives about 30A directly to the battery.
Please observe the Info picture showing that my Saxo have different preg.ver's than my P106.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 11:03
Thanks,
So it looks that the right scaling coefficient to apply is more something like 1.46 (rather than 1.41).
Btw, I observe also a charge at 14A and I'm very surprised to have an overcharge at 7A. I believed it was 5A according to the PSA docs and SAFT specs. Do you noticed the same ?

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 12:34
Sitat fra: Steens på onsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 11:03
Do you noticed the same ?
Sorry, I did not have much time so only did the tests an recorded the vaules.
I will do the exact same "exercise" with my P106 soon, since it has different prog.ver., but I have to change some batteries first.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapeonsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 13:34
Sitat fra: Steens på onsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 11:03
Thanks,
So it looks that the right scaling coefficient to apply is more something like 1.46 (rather than 1.41).
Btw, I observe also a charge at 14A and I'm very surprised to have an overcharge at 7A. I believed it was 5A according to the PSA docs and SAFT specs. Do you noticed the same ?

Hi Steens,
Did you notice my response last on page 8. :)
could scaling coefficient be 1,5 ?

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 16:20
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 12:34
I have to change some batteries first.
Winter is coming, it's battery replacement time ;D ! (I also did some replacements last weekend :()

Sitat fra: timescape på mandag 30. oktober 2017, klokken 19:11
So can scale divide  0->150A.  ?
I always try to optimize the display on screen. The 150A was delivered by the PSA charge stations that do not exist anymore. I don't know people charging at 150A nowadays. I know that some people charge at 60A (Elmo) and read about some people charging at 80A. So I think it's not worth extending to 150A because for most of the people charging at 14A it will be difficult to see the difference between charge and overcharge (the difference will be just some pixels). So 2 solutions I can extend to a lower value (60, 80 ?). My favourite solution would be to be able to get the information from ECU if it is a fast or normal charge and then scale according to this info. I have not studied this case yet.

Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 01. november 2017, klokken 13:34
could scaling coefficient be 1,5 ?
1,5 is too much. Look at Elmo's values and try to find the best ratio between Checkelec and Lexia colum. 1,4 is not enough. 1,46 or 1,47 is good (we need more measurements to be more precise). 1,5 is too much : 29*1,5=43,5 vs 42 on Lexia.
As we are trying to scale an ECU data, it's important to take for reference a software reading the ECU data (Lexia, PP2000) and not another data source (Amp clamp, solenoid) as we don't know the error on this source. However, the external sources are useful to confirm the Lexia data (there could be a bug !)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 10. november 2017, klokken 18:37
Hello,

the new Checkelec version V2.0 has been released since yesterday  :D.
Thanks to all the beta-testers for their contribution  ;).
As usual, your device will update the app automatically. You can also force the update manually in the Playstore.

Checkelec V2.0To read the faults, go in the menu "Faults". To clear the faults, just swipe them out of the screen :
(http://checkelec.com/pictures/clear_faults.png)

To make a maintenance charge (with water top-up), go in the menu "Charge". When the dasboard light "water needed" turns on, the app will display a special page to clear the "water need".

So, with this new version, Checkelec allows you to perform all the basic operations of our old electric cars (Water refill, select type of charge, fault reading and clearing...).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 10. november 2017, klokken 18:50
I have had the privilege of being beta-tester of the last version, and this APP is really fantastic.
Thankyou very very much for making this APP avaialble to us PSA-classic enthusiasts Steens :+1: :+1:

I have put info about Checkelec on Elbilwiki.no (http://elbilwiki.no/index.php/PSA:ServiceInstrumenter) :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxfredag 10. november 2017, klokken 20:50
Amassing and fantastic!

Pity so many cars are now history, but good reason to keep the still good ones on the road.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapelørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:24
Hi Steens,
Grate app. !!!!

Thank you, I will be using it a lot :)

Let me know if I can request new functions for future versions ?

I noticed that it drops connection to the car if "settings" menu is active.. Is that by purpose ?
Also I have some "grammaire" corrections I have to change in Danish :)

Thanks
br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenslørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:39
Sitat fra: timescape på lørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:24
Let me know if I can request new functions for future versions ?
I don't promise to make everything but feel free to propose ! ;)

Sitat fra: timescape på lørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:24
I noticed that it drops connection to the car if "settings" menu is active.. Is that by purpose ?
No I will try to improve that. There are also problems if you leave the app for a long time and then come back to it, the connection status stays at "PSA unreachable". You have to leave the app and come back a second time to relaunch the connection. I will also try to fix that.

Sitat fra: timescape på lørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:24
Also I have some "grammaire" corrections I have to change in Danish :)
Yes, send a new version, I will include it in the next version.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapelørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 15:26
Sitat fra: Steens på lørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:39
Sitat fra: timescape på lørdag 11. november 2017, klokken 14:24
Let me know if I can request new functions for future versions ?
I don't promise to make everything but feel free to propose ! ;)

1. current graph showing opto 200A while driving.
2. Change of max ac current for charging.
It will be great if the ac current could be lowered in the app. Then it would be easier to charge from a normal house installation.
I have 3*20A at home, My PSA setting is 14A..
Then if I visit someone and they only have a normal ac outlet (13A fuse). I could easily set the car to 10A . :)

Thanks
br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgefredag 24. november 2017, klokken 16:05
First time test with Checkelec 2 today in one of my Saxo's with the PRODIAG OBDII unit. All seemed to work fine except one thing. Checkelec lost contact with the OBDII unit and for the first time went into what seemed to be a never ending loop of trying to connect, trying to connect, trying to connect..... without succeding. Stopping Checkelec and starting it again caused Checkelec to immediately being able to connect.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgelørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 14:12
One feature that would be really nice to have but probably is difficult to achieve(?) is clearing charging light :) when your'e out driving without having to connect the charging cable.

I have a few times a year during my 7 to 8 years with 106 and Saxo Electric experienced being unfocused and stepping a little bit too hard on the accelerator pedal when having low SOC (15 to 35 % depending on battery status - poor blocks or not). Getting the charging lights pretty much ruins the plan of even a short trip to the nearest shop etc. This morning the same thing happened. 35 % SOC should "as usual" be enough to get to the grocery store and back without problems but when I had only about 50 m left of the first and steepest uphill, charging lamps went on and the car slowed down signifficantly.

In such a case it would be great to able to reset the charging lights only once to be able to drive carefully the last distance to complete the journey instead like today turning around and driving down home  :-[ 

I have never noticed such a function in Lexia (and its anyway very impracticable to have a laptop and the Lexia adapter in the car all the time) but never actually looked for it either.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 14:39
Bad function to have, but if you really wish to beat all warnings that you are about to damedge your battery simply disconnect and reconnect one of the main fuses.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgelørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 16:51
Sitat fra: elektrolux på lørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 14:39
Bad function to have, but if you really wish to beat all warnings that you are about to damedge your battery simply disconnect and reconnect one of the main fuses.
I agree to that this is not something one lightly should do, but it may still a few times mean the difference between "getting there" or not including getting home to your own charging socket. Only four times in my 7 to 8 years with Saxo and 106 Electric I have plugged (for just some seconds) and unplugged the charging cord to get home. This got me more power and after that being VERY focused on driving carefully with low current I got home actually WITHOUT charging light lighting up in three of the four situations. I have so far NEVER experienced any battery block exploding/bursting. I have however got bad battery blocks in two of my cars and changed (from only 1 up to 3) blocks 3 times not including the two times I needed to change a few blocks just after buying these old electric vehicles cheap because of poor driving range/battery condition.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 17:48
Som Elektrolux sa: Det er bare å trekke ut en hovedsikring så går lyset av.
Jeg har merket at tenningen bør være av, for hvis ikke så hender det at SOC viser lavere enn den er etterpå.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 03. desember 2017, klokken 00:08
And regarding the implementation of the function in Checkelec, it's actually difficult: I used mainly the Lexia software to get the existing commands available. And as you said Helge there is nothing like that in Lexia. But that doesn't mean that it's not possible: there may exist hidden commands but how can we find them without any reference ? If you hear about another software able to do that, I can try to decode it ;).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 04. desember 2017, klokken 14:18
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 17:48
Som Elektrolux sa: Det er bare å trekke ut en hovedsikring så går lyset av.
Jada, det... fikk jeg med meg  ;D

Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 02. desember 2017, klokken 17:48Jeg har merket at tenningen bør være av, for hvis ikke så hender det at SOC viser lavere enn den er etterpå.
...men det var et godt tilleggs-tips!  :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 04. desember 2017, klokken 14:21
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 03. desember 2017, klokken 00:08
And regarding the implementation of the function in Checkelec, it's actually difficult:
No problem. Now I know a way to clear the light when you do not have a charging socket close by.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Fribomtorsdag 14. desember 2017, klokken 22:54
Hi Steens.
Seems to be a very nice app. Any plans for a IOS version?
B.r. Sigve
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 15. desember 2017, klokken 01:10
I plan to try it but the conversion is not easy. A part of the code can be automatically converted but the work on the other part is Huge. So I will try to make the automatic part first and then see  ;).
Additionally, I need to find a Mac computer and an iPhone (because iOS apps can be developped only in Apple environment >:() and that's another difficulty ! ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapefredag 15. desember 2017, klokken 19:09
Sitat fra: Fribom på torsdag 14. desember 2017, klokken 22:54
Hi Steens.
Seems to be a very nice app. Any plans for a IOS version?
B.r. Sigve

Hi Fribom,
There is another issue with Apple..
Apple will not connect to a bluetooth device (and OBD2), unless the device is approved by Apple...
Not easy to get a, by Apple, approved ODB2 :)

br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenslørdag 16. desember 2017, klokken 15:05
Some of the OBD2 interfaces like Vgate are said compatible with iOS. That's at least what I can read on some seller websites. But maybe it's another fake information ?  ???
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Fribomsøndag 17. desember 2017, klokken 15:39
Not a big issue. You have a point in Apple not allowing devices to connect on USB. I can buy a cheap Android device when I need this. :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Grumlesøndag 31. desember 2017, klokken 13:57
I think there is a vertion of the vgate with wifi instead of bluetooth for iOS

Exelent app Steens!!

im not so good with computers, but one thing ive been thinking about lately is the possibillity to use 3-4 rassberry pi "one in each battery box" to monitor each cell. And transfer the information via bluetooth to the phone. If this is a possebillity, do you think it could be integratet in to the app in some way ? :) The dream would be all cells showing like a square with a colour from green to red depending on voltage of each cell :B
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 31. desember 2017, klokken 16:44
Sitat fra: Grumle på søndag 31. desember 2017, klokken 13:57
im not so good with computers, but one thing ive been thinking about lately is the possibillity to use 3-4 rassberry pi "one in each battery box" to monitor each cell. And transfer the information via bluetooth to the phone.
Såvidt jeg husker var en her på gang med det samme for 2-3 år siden. Men antar det stoppet opp. Du kan jo evt søke/bla gjennom trådene og se om du finner noe ??

EDIT/PS: jeg fant det ikke selv i farten.  Også dumt at gamle vedlegg (bilder) ikke kan sees i forumet for tiden etter siste oppgradering.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Grumlesøndag 31. desember 2017, klokken 17:13
Spennende! Det skal jeg sjekke ut! Takker for tips :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: kretslopptirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 20:52
Thank you Steens for your tremendous work.

Tomorrow night it's time for my first water service done by myself.

Hva er rekkefølgen på vannfylling respektive lading?
På trukkarne på jobbet lader vi først og fyller etterpå.
Og hvor lange tid tar den ladingen?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 21:59
Lading først for batteriene/batterivæsken må få høy nok temperatur før man fyller.  Er batteriene kalde vil man få på litt for mye vann. Når batteriene blir varmere enn dette senere ved kjøring og lading vil batterivæsken utvide seg slik at batteriblokkene "renner over" (ut under bilen) så batterivæsken i batteriblokkene tynnes ut fra vannservice til vannservice.

Hvor lang tid ladingen tar avhenger også noe av SOC før du starter å lade!
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: kretslopptirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 22:22
Er det vanlig eller initial lading først?
Og så fylle vann?


Hadde gjerne hatt en liste med punkter. Tenkte ha bilen inne på jobben min over natten mellom onsdag og torsdag så jeg må bli ferdig i løpet av arbeidsdagens begynnelse. :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 23:11
Veldig lurt å ha bilen innendørs før vannservice fordi vannfylle slangene er ofte frosne om vinteren.

Når du kobler Checkelec til bilen og får opp lademenyen så er det ingen tvil om hvilket program som skal brukes før vannfylling (se bildet).

Hvis du kjører bilen ned til 20-30% og starter vannladingen sent på kvelden så er det sikkert klar til vannfylling på morningen.

Jeg har også vedlagt vannfyllingsprosedyre, sakset fra manualen til evLite
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 23:20
Sitat fra: Elmo på tirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 23:11
Jeg har også vedlagt vannfyllingsprosedyre, sakset fra manualen til evLite
Og så var det problemet med vedlegg for tiden da :-1: >:(  så jeg har laget bildefil av .PDF dokumentet
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: kretslopptirsdag 30. januar 2018, klokken 23:33
Tusen takk Elmo. Det går nog fint det her. :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 31. januar 2018, klokken 08:40
NB: Ser nå at bildet kanskje kan missforstås. Det er "Vannservice" du skal velge.

Og du vet selvfølgelig at du skal bruke av-ionisert batterivann og ikke vann fra springen.
Jeg syns det er lurt å varme vannet på badegulvet over natta.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetirsdag 20. mars 2018, klokken 09:30
Hi Steens,
How is it going with the app update ?

I was wondering how using the app for water service work..
- How to clear need for water and get the water service lamp when the car is ready (and clear service lamp when done) ?
- Shall the app run during the whole progress or ?

Thanks
Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 20. mars 2018, klokken 19:25
Sitat fra: timescape på tirsdag 20. mars 2018, klokken 09:30
1) How to clear need for water and get the water service lamp when the car is ready (and clear service lamp when done) ?
2) Shall the app run during the whole progress ?

1) When the MainteneaceCharge (wather-service-charge) is finished you automatically get a screen where clear the lamp and overcharge-counter. Think I put in a picture of that earlier her ?
2) No need. When the car lits the watherlamp you connect the app again and you will get the "hidden" screen.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 20. mars 2018, klokken 19:35
Sitat fra: Elmo på tirsdag 20. mars 2018, klokken 19:25
Think I put in a picture of that earlier her ?

Obviously did not :( but here it is :+1: 
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapeonsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 09:28
Hi Elmo,
Thanks for the clarification :)

A friend of mine had used the app. and the need for Water lamp never came on..
The app. when connected during behave "strange". if showing V/A graf the app returns to show charge selection menu by it self "of cause showing ment. charge is selected"... Water need screen never came on.

If I look at the progress for water service i have. It given that it is important to reset need for water before water service process is done. (I assume that just selecting ment. charge will/should not reset water counters :) ).
So I was looking for at menu in the app. to reset need for water/counters :)

Br.



Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 12:56
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 09:28
Water need screen never came on.

And he did use the latest version ??  That functionality was added to the very latest version (=2.1).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapeonsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 15:08
Sitat fra: Elmo på onsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 12:56
Sitat fra: timescape på onsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 09:28
Water need screen never came on.

And he did use the latest version ??  That functionality was added to the very latest version (=2.1).

Yes, he did :)

I do not know if there is differences in the car FW . as it looks like the need for water lamp/counter shall be reset before water service is started ?

I soon have to make water service on my car. I would like to use the app. But I need to be sure it work :)

br.


Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 18:32
Hello all,

Sorry I missed time to answer earlier. Regarding the general use I can already advise you to visit the freshly released website for the checkelec app  :):

checkelec.com (http://checkelec.com)

You will find in it documentation for every feature.
However regarding your need, Timescape, you will find the same level of information Elmo gave you.
I can add this:


Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 23:37
Sitat fra: Steens på onsdag 21. mars 2018, klokken 18:32
Regarding the general use I can already advise you to visit the freshly released website for the checkelec app  :):       checkelec.com (http://checkelec.com)

:+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 09:08
So, the app. do NOT reset counters BEFORE ment. charge (water service) is done ?
:)
br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 10:02
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 09:08
So, the app. do NOT reset counters BEFORE ment. charge (water service) is done ?
No, the app does not reset the counters before the charge. But why would you want to reset the counters before the maintenance charge ?
The app works like other tools do (Lexia, Evlite, ...)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 10:56
Sitat fra: Steens på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 10:02
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 09:08
So, the app. do NOT reset counters BEFORE ment. charge (water service) is done ?
No, the app does not reset the counters before the charge. But why would you want to reset the counters before the maintenance charge ?
The app works like other tools do (Lexia, Evlite, ...)

My French is very bad.. Sorry.
But I think... this is the guideline in French :)
effacer le témoin :)


br.


Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 11:09
 :o Effectively ! I never read this document in details :-[. I don't think it has a big impact to clear the water need before or after the charge. Regarding my vehicle, I always did it after the charge. You can even drive with the dashboard light still on after the charge and clear it later.

But in any case, I will try to think to a way to force the water page in the app even if the light is off because some people (like me ;)) do the water service without a maintenance charge so the page will never come.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 14:43
Sitat fra: Steens på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 11:09
:o Effectively ! I never read this document in details :-[. I don't think it has a big impact to clear the water need before or after the charge. Regarding my vehicle, I always did it after the charge. You can even drive with the dashboard light still on after the charge and clear it later.

But in any case, I will try to think to a way to force the water page in the app even if the light is off because some people (like me ;)) do the water service without a maintenance charge so the page will never come.

The pictures of the water service guidelines addet in my earlier, was in Danish. Sorry.
The base line is that they tell it is very important to RESET counters and need for water BEFORE the water service is done :)

Just a suggestion.. Maby an extra button in the charge menu.. "Reset need for water", then a dialog: Reset counters and need for water? "yes" or "Cancel" ..

If the need for water and counters is NOT cleared on my car.:
It will go into battery protect mode to limit water waste from batteries. By limit the charge (no over charge is done) and need for recharge lamp will be on sooner.

A little experience I had :) :
When I bought my car someone did fill water but did not reset.. I acted like batteries was very bad (only 40km on a charge).
I did not know what was wrong as there was no lamps lid in dashboard..
Someone had taken out all warring the lamps in dashboard, for the car to show like all OK.. :) :)
After reset need for water i had 60-70km on a charge.

br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 21:32
Sitat fra: Steens på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 11:09
But in any case, I will try to think to a way to force the water page in the app even if the light is off because some people (like me ;)) do the water service without a maintenance charge so the page will never come.

With evLite you can clear the overcharge-counter (=watherlight counter) any time you like.  Maybe you could somehow monitor which command it sends to the car ??
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotorsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 21:36
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 14:43
The pictures of the water service guidelines addet in my earlier, was in Danish. Sorry.
The base line is that they tell it is very important to RESET counters and need for water BEFORE the water service is done :)

I have never neither read that anywhere nor ever done that, and I have done water-service about 100 times.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapefredag 27. april 2018, klokken 12:57
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 14:43
Sitat fra: Steens på torsdag 22. mars 2018, klokken 11:09
:o Effectively ! I never read this document in details :-[. I don't think it has a big impact to clear the water need before or after the charge. Regarding my vehicle, I always did it after the charge. You can even drive with the dashboard light still on after the charge and clear it later.

But in any case, I will try to think to a way to force the water page in the app even if the light is off because some people (like me ;)) do the water service without a maintenance charge so the page will never come.

The pictures of the water service guidelines addet in my earlier, was in Danish. Sorry.
The base line is that they tell it is very important to RESET counters and need for water BEFORE the water service is done :)

Just a suggestion.. Maby an extra button in the charge menu.. "Reset need for water", then a dialog: Reset counters and need for water? "yes" or "Cancel" ..

If the need for water and counters is NOT cleared on my car.:
It will go into battery protect mode to limit water waste from batteries. By limit the charge (no over charge is done) and need for recharge lamp will be on sooner.

A little experience I had :) :
When I bought my car someone did fill water but did not reset.. I acted like batteries was very bad (only 40km on a charge).
I did not know what was wrong as there was no lamps lid in dashboard..
Someone had taken out all warring the lamps in dashboard, for the car to show like all OK.. :) :)
After reset need for water i had 60-70km on a charge.

br.

Hi Steens,
Did the possibility to reset need for water implemented in the app. ?

I ask as my friend now has the Need for water lamp on.. As lamp newer came ON and never got reset after the last water service by the app.. ?
(the case i started to ask about a few chats back).

He do not have access to a lexia.. :)

Thanks
Br.

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 29. april 2018, klokken 23:57
Hi Timescape,

I've still not implemented this feature yet. I keep it in mind and will do something for the V3.0 actually being developed.

But I wonder something: if you are in battery protect mode, this means that your counter is above the threshold and then that a light is on on the dashboard, isn't it ? And with this light, the app doen't show the water page ?

It's the first time I hear about this importance of doing the reset before the water service. So many people are doing it after without any problem. Could you monitor a charge and send the pictures to check what happens during this battery protect mode ? Just to understand how it works.

Br
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmomandag 30. april 2018, klokken 14:28
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 29. april 2018, klokken 23:57
But I wonder something: if you are in battery protect mode, this means that your counter is above the threshold and then that a light is on on the dashboard, isn't it ? And with this light, the app doen't show the water page ?

Interesting question Steens.
Is the chargelogic in a different "state" when watherlight is lit due to overcharge above 860Ah than when waterlight is lit due to a completed MaintanceCharge or InitialCharge ?
And I dont know the answer  :(
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapefredag 04. mai 2018, klokken 09:59
Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 29. april 2018, klokken 23:57
Hi Timescape,

I've still not implemented this feature yet. I keep it in mind and will do something for the V3.0 actually being developed.

But I wonder something: if you are in battery protect mode, this means that your counter is above the threshold and then that a light is on on the dashboard, isn't it ? And with this light, the app doen't show the water page ?

It's the first time I hear about this importance of doing the reset before the water service. So many people are doing it after without any problem. Could you monitor a charge and send the pictures to check what happens during this battery protect mode ? Just to understand how it works.

Br

Hi Steens,
Thanks for your reply.
I will try to answer as good as I can :)

Battery protection mode.. :
Yes, it seems to go i a kind of battery protection mode when the water lamp is on.
The manual claims that the lamp/counters shall be reset before water service. I do not know why. I have always done it :)
when I got my car. I did stop charge at 100% (no over charge). The "charge needed" Lamp came on at about 50%.
In my case all the warring light bulbs was taken out of the dashboard, so no warning was given !
(previous owner had filled water, but apparently did not have lexia to do it right.).
After reset need for water/counters with lexia the car did overcharge and got the double range in driving distance !
(no other errors was present in failure readout).
I of course inserted light bulbs in the dashboard :) :)

Maybe there is differences in the firmware ver. in the car..
Or maybe is done to prevent if the counters is close to limit and during the maintain charge is triggering the need for water lamp before time i the progress.. I do not know..

It is a friend of mine in the other end of country who has the issue. So it is difficult for me to investigate or get measurements.
I will make water service myself soon and of course use the app. without reset first:)
(my need for water lamp is not on).

Thanks
Br.

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstirsdag 29. mai 2018, klokken 23:54
Sitat fra: Elmo på mandag 30. april 2018, klokken 14:28
Interesting question Steens.
Is the chargelogic in a different "state" when watherlight is lit due to overcharge above 860Ah than when waterlight is lit due to a completed MaintanceCharge or InitialCharge ?
And I dont know the answer  :(
So, I have the answer now ;) ! Today, the water counter reached the threshold and the water reset page appeared in the same time the light turned on on the dashboard. As I made recently a water service, I just swiped the symbol and the counter was reset.

By the way, something happened also: to make the reset, the app has to request the ECU to go in a "modification mode" before and ask to retrieve the "normal mode" after the reset request is sent. It's the same behaviour for the charge modification or fault clearing. For some reason the "go back to normal mode" was not understood by the ECU. The consequence was that I wasn't able to start my car again. That's a little surprising :o. If that happens to you don't panic! You just need to make a new PSA linking (leave the app and come back, or unplug and replug the OBD,...). After every PSA linking, a "go to normal mode" request is sent. If you are not able to do it, the last solution is to unplug and replug a high-voltage fuse.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 30. mai 2018, klokken 08:19
Sitat fra: Steens på tirsdag 29. mai 2018, klokken 23:54
So, I have the answer now ;) !
:+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetorsdag 07. juni 2018, klokken 09:14
Hi Steens,
Good you find something.
I think something like that caused my friends issues .

Note. Last time the app. was updated. And I used it first time. The app. showed the my car was in "maintain Charge" mode !!
I know for sure it was not..
So I asked the app. to put it in normal charge. And the app. shoved "normal charge " as it should..


Last I did water service i used the app. No problems..

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstorsdag 07. juni 2018, klokken 14:42
Sitat fra: timescape på torsdag 07. juni 2018, klokken 09:14
The app. showed the my car was in "maintain Charge" mode !!
I know for sure it was not..
Strange... ???
What is sure is that if the app displayed "Maintenance charge", that means that your ecu sent a message saying the next charge would be a maintenance charge. Let me know if this happens again.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxtorsdag 28. juni 2018, klokken 10:41
Currently performing a waterservice using Checkelec. Great to be able to remotly monitor progress while selling charging equipment.

Only thing I miss is a temperatur line on the graph. Any chance to add this? Temperatur can be checked under charging and is measured on water entering the Sagem box
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensfredag 29. juni 2018, klokken 10:26
No problem, I also needed to check the temperature during the charge so I already added it ;). It will be available in the next V3.0 version (including ECU param modification feature) coming very soon.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Niram1969 .fredag 29. juni 2018, klokken 11:20
Any chance for modifications on older ECU's (3.01)?
(holding my palms together) 
:)

//Marin
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgelørdag 04. august 2018, klokken 22:24
Sitat fra: Steens på fredag 29. juni 2018, klokken 10:26
No problem, I also needed to check the temperature during the charge so I already added it ;). It will be available in the next V3.0 version (including ECU param modification feature) coming very soon.
Any possibility for V3.0 release in August or September?  :) :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 04. august 2018, klokken 22:36
Jeg sitter og oversetter tekster for 3.0 versjonen til Norsk nå så den er nok ikke langt unna  :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 07. august 2018, klokken 20:36
 :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 07. august 2018, klokken 21:18
Jeg er så heldig å ha fått ver. 3.0 på beta-test 8)  Gled dere !
Checkelec er bra allerede i ver 2.x, men 3.0 blir bare ekstremt bra. Her får vi tilgang til veldig mange (antagelig alle) parametrene i computeren.
Jeg har feks. allerede endret verdi for varsling om vannservice ned til 500Ah :+1: (det er vel den muligheten vi har savnet mest).
Kan vel også si at folk som liker "cut and try" metode kan gjøre ubotelig skade på bilen sin :o

Steens har nå en webside www.checkelec.com
Jeg vil herved oppfordre til å donere en slant og skrive positive tilbakemeldinger (se bildet).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxtirsdag 07. august 2018, klokken 21:41
Tatt til følge.  ;)

Ved å donere noen slanter får en mulighet til å sende personlig melding. Om det er mulig å endre parameter hadde nye spenningsverdier tilpasset (ulovlig) litium ombygging og noe mer strøm vært ønskelig.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 07. august 2018, klokken 23:56
Såvidt jeg kan se kan du endre enhver verdi helt fritt, men jeg har bare forsøkt meg på AC-ladestrøm, den nevnte verdien for overlading før ladelyset tennes, og antall Amp regenrering som fører til bremselys.
Er jo litt kilent om man skulle være uheldig å sett noe fullstendig galt  :-\
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxonsdag 08. august 2018, klokken 17:19
Kan bli nyttig å justere maks hastighet til f.eks 10 km/t i forbindelse kommende bom aksjoner:

https://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/i/J1A3bb/Protest-mot-bompenger-samlet-over-500-ved-Kvadrat---vil-stenge-Bybrua-om-to-uker
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 13:51
Med fare for å bli oppfattet som utålmodig :-[ tar jeg meg den frihet å spørre om det er noe nytt rundt tidspunkt for lansering av V.3.0 ?

I slutten av juni ble det jo skrevet "coming very soon"  ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 15:00
Yes, I can write now "coming very soon" ! ;)
The version V3.0 is finalized, the last bugs have been corrected and last translations included (Checkelec is available in 13 languages and that makes some additional work !).
I'm now checking this finalized version and writing a bit of documentation for the website.
I hope to release the version this week. However, with the end of summer break, I have also a lot of things to do but I will try to find the time to do it ! :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 20:37
Sitat fra: Helge på tirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 13:51
I slutten av juni ble det jo skrevet "coming very soon"  ;)
Beklager Helge, jeg fant en "ny" bug for bare et par dager siden :(
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 22:46
Sitat fra: Elmo på tirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 20:37
Sitat fra: Helge på tirsdag 04. september 2018, klokken 13:51
I slutten av juni ble det jo skrevet "coming very soon"  ;)
Beklager Helge, jeg fant en "ny" bug for bare et par dager siden :(
Hvis man finner betydelige bugs er det jo bare kjekt om det rettes før ny versjon slippes :)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenslørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 00:21
Hello, the new Checkelec V3.0 has been released :) !
This version has a new feature : the possibility to read and modify the ECU parameters :o.

You will find all the documentation on the website: http://checkelec.com/doc/ (http://checkelec.com/doc/).

Checkelec V3.0


Google automatic translation:

Hei, den nye Checkelec V3.0 har blitt utgitt :) !
Denne versjonen har en ny funksjon: muligheten til å lese og endre ECU-parametrene :o.

Du finner all dokumentasjon på nettstedet: http://checkelec.com/doc/ (http://checkelec.com/doc/).

Checkelec V3.0
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 14:46
Fantastic!

Already did water service using it on a Berlingo. Nice to have battery temperature.

Not so many ECU parameters to change on the Berlingo yet? I saw only charge current and one more.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapelørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 14:57
Thanks a lot !!

Can anyone share there default parameters for the ECU ?
Could be nice to have :)

Some of them I do not understand..

Like the brake light activation value.. (mine do not activate the brake light during regen. and the value seems far out. I would like to activate :) ).

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 18:44
Well, as far as I know this is the first time ever that anyone has seen all these paramteres. Not even the original diagnose-instuments from PSA shows nearly half as many.

I have browsed through all the screens and taken screenshots så my plan is to make at table with all of them, probably store it on Elbilwiki. When it comes to default values . . . I think that not all cars have the same vaules so I guess we all have to compare.

Also think I will start a new thread here to discuss most interesting parameters to change and which values to choose.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 20:42
Overharge coefficient bør nok settes til maks 10% på godt brukte batteri. Det ser en ut fra ladekurven på nye vs brukte batteri. 5A på overlading er OK.

Vurderer selvfølgelig å teste ut litt mer amper. Motorstyringen tåler minst 350A, men så var det motoren. Med 300A og 150V Litium batteri snakker vi rundt dobbel effekt og relativt frisk bil
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmolørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 21:04
Sitat fra: timescape på lørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 14:57
Like the brake light activation value.. (mine do not activate the brake light during regen. and the value seems far out. I would like to activate :)
Jeg har satt den ned til 50A, men jeg har enda ikke testet/sjekket at det funker fornuftig.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapesøndag 09. september 2018, klokken 01:00
Sitat fra: Elmo på lørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 21:04
Sitat fra: timescape på lørdag 08. september 2018, klokken 14:57
Like the brake light activation value.. (mine do not activate the brake light during regen. and the value seems far out. I would like to activate :)
Jeg har satt den ned til 50A, men jeg har enda ikke testet/sjekket at det funker fornuftig.

My value is -169,2A. Makes no sense .. :)
What was yours before ?

br


Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenssøndag 09. september 2018, klokken 12:07
Regarding all these questions, I can bring the following precisions:

I named the parameters with the very poor information I had about these parameters. The names were in French and abreviated. Sometimes the meaning was obvious. For example the parameter originally named COURANT_SCGH was obviously the "overcharge current" (in French: courant=current, SCGH was probably surcharge=overcharge). This was confirmed by the value of 5.0A corresponding to the overcharge current value. That was an easy one but others were harder (For example UBATT_DCHG80_200A ??? ??)

I haven't tested all the parameters. I can also not guarantee that every value is acceptable for a parameter. Actually in the app, the values you can set are limited by the numerical range of space allocated in the ECU memory for that parameter. Generally one byte, so 256 different values. For each parameter, there is a resolution (i.e. the step between two values) and a minimum value. So the maximum is equal to the minimum+255*step.
However that doesn't mean that the ecu will accept every value. A user reported that the car would not want to start if some parameters are set to unacceptable values. I didn't experienced this situation myself and I don't know these unacceptable values.

But for example:
In any case, many parameters need to be tested and understood. If you do so and think that a parameter name was badly understood, let me know I will change it. Note also that the parameter categories exist only in the app (they don't exist for the ecu). I created them to make the parameter list easier to handle. Another purpose of the categories was to have the value more quickly. When you deploy a category, you give the priority for the loading to all the parameters in the category. If all the parameters were in the same category, then you would need to wait that all the parameters are loaded to see the last one of the list !

So I put the parameter in these categories as I understood the parameter but I may have done wrong. A parameter could be in another category. It also possible to create new categories if relevant. Finally, note also the last category ("others") showing the parameters that I didn't understand (Some with the raw names). If you find an explanation, I will be happy to put them in the right category :).

I have already some doubt on a parameter: the motor speed limits. The parameter named "Speed alowing max Ilim" is an intermediate limitation between "Speed starting limitation" and "Speed limit". However I thought it was linked to the parameter named "Limiting current (Ilim)" but maybe it is not.

I also identified that there is a mistake in the minimum of the parameter "Pilot meter". I always shows 10Ah were it should show 0Ah. This parameter is very useful for the charge as it drives the end of the constant power phase.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapesøndag 09. september 2018, klokken 12:37
No, issue Steens.
Thanks for your great work to make this possible.

Let us all share experience :)

ELMO did you make a new tread for this ?

Br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 09. september 2018, klokken 12:45
You have done a fantastic job so far Steens !   :+1: :+1:

Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 09. september 2018, klokken 12:07
In any case, many parameters need to be tested and understood. If you do so and think that a parameter name was badly understood, let me know I will change it.
Same goes for my translation to Norwegian. Partly some English is hard to translate without using a whole sentence in Norwegian, secondly it is hard when neither the paramter name nor Steens English textstring rings a bell ???

Sitat fra: Steens på søndag 09. september 2018, klokken 12:07
I have already some doubt on a parameter: the motor speed limits. The parameter named "Speed alowing max Ilim" is an intermediate limitation between "Speed starting limitation" and "Speed limit". However I thought it was linked to the parameter named "Limiting current (Ilim)" but maybe it is not.
I agree. Those were some of the ones that I hade problems with ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 09. september 2018, klokken 13:04
Sitat fra: timescape på søndag 09. september 2018, klokken 12:37
ELMO did you make a new tread for this ?
Did, just now ;)   https://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php?topic=41251.0
Steen, hope you dont mind it we keep the discussions i Norwegian. Whenever we need to involve you we will contact you directly or swap to English. I can also summ up for you any conclusions we come to ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetirsdag 18. september 2018, klokken 14:03
Hei, jeg legger dette innlegget her for å ikke ødelegge tråden med parameterendringer: Utfordringen min er at jeg ikke ser ut til å få frem mer enn kun to valg/funksjoner. Se vedlagte skjermekopi fra Checkelec ECU samt skjermkopi Checkelec info (om ECU)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstirsdag 18. september 2018, klokken 15:56
As indicated in the documentation (http://checkelec.com/documentation/), you shall modify your user profile to "advanced" or "expert" in the settings page (http://checkelec.com/parametres/) to see more parameters ;). The "beginner" profile shows only the parameters without risk.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgeonsdag 19. september 2018, klokken 08:30
Sitat fra: Steens på tirsdag 18. september 2018, klokken 15:56
As indicated in the documentation (http://checkelec.com/documentation/), you shall modify your user profile to "advanced" or "expert" in the settings page (http://checkelec.com/parametres/) to see more parameters ;). The "beginner" profile shows only the parameters without risk.

Thanx Steens - this prooves that I am a "beginner"  :-[   .... :) ;) :D :laugh:

...or probably getting "slow" with age  :laugh: Have been using Lexia for both PSA Electric and petrol for 8 years  ;)
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgeonsdag 07. november 2018, klokken 10:31
Simple question: How is the "sending parameters" initiated?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 07. november 2018, klokken 10:39
Husker ikke, rett og slett fordi jeg aldri hadde problem med det. Var det "svipe" tro ??
Men . . . Sjekk dokumentasjonen !
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetorsdag 08. november 2018, klokken 22:29
Yes...

"To send the new values to the ECU, swipe the parameter list to the side."
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapefredag 09. november 2018, klokken 01:22
Please be aware..
If I change 2 parametres and swipe. the 2end one fails..
So you can only change/send one parameter at the time..

br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxlørdag 10. november 2018, klokken 21:33
Takk for tipset. Glemte å swipe, men fikk økt farten før bilen begrenser til 90 km/t.

Flott med temperatur på ladegrafen
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 12. november 2018, klokken 23:15
Sitat fra: timescape på fredag 09. november 2018, klokken 01:22
Please be aware..
If I change 2 parametres and swipe. the 2end one fails..
So you can only change/send one parameter at the time..

br.

Strange  :-\  I have two Saxo and one P106 and with all three it seems that I can change more than one parameter with one swipe.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: timescapetirsdag 13. november 2018, klokken 12:57
Sitat fra: Helge på mandag 12. november 2018, klokken 23:15
Sitat fra: timescape på fredag 09. november 2018, klokken 01:22
Please be aware..
If I change 2 parametres and swipe. the 2end one fails..
So you can only change/send one parameter at the time..

br.

Strange  :-\  I have two Saxo and one P106 and with all three it seems that I can change more than one parameter with one swipe.

That is interesting ... mine will not accept that.. A red dot is displayed at the second command when sending..

br.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Stan Seurensøndag 27. januar 2019, klokken 21:51
Hello,

I have a peugeot 106 electrique 1996.

I have a 2pin (only 1 wire connected) connector for diagnostics and my question is if it is possible to use a adapter cable to obd2 like this: https://diagnoseapparatuur.nl/obd-kabels/peugeot-obd-kabel (https://diagnoseapparatuur.nl/obd-kabels/peugeot-obd-kabel)

Is this the only diagnostics connector in my car? Because I couldn't find anything else.

Thanks in advance,

Stan Seuren
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmosøndag 27. januar 2019, klokken 22:48
The 106 el with 16 pin OBDII also idé only one site in addition to 12v pluss and minus.
Only question is if the adapter use the correct OBDII pin. I have read that petrol 106 use a different pin. But if it is wrong you can always split the cable and change it.
I can check which pin is the correct one for you.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 27. februar 2019, klokken 23:19
Hello, I released a new version with very little modifications, mainly bug corrections but also a new feature allowing to reset the water counter without waiting the dashboard light (Several users have been asking for this feature).
As usual, the update will be automatic on your Android device. Enjoy ! 8)

Checkelec V3.1
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: elektroluxtorsdag 28. februar 2019, klokken 06:48
Thanks for great support. :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotorsdag 28. februar 2019, klokken 07:46
Thankyou Stéphane :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgetorsdag 28. februar 2019, klokken 10:53
Thanks a lot for your effeorts with Checkelec  :+1:
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgelørdag 16. mars 2019, klokken 10:44
Some strange problems in this thread:

https://elbilforum.no/index.php?topic=43958.30

...with a lot of parameter changes that happened when using Checkelec to change battery type setting to 1. Several Saxo and P106 seems for some reason to have battery type 3 (or even 10!) in the ECU settings. Changing in one of the cars to type 1 (that is supposed to be NiCd) caused a lot of parameters to change quite dramatically:
- both far to high and far to low values
- both negative and positive values including opposite of what it was originally
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: CitroenSaxo2002mandag 13. mai 2019, klokken 20:17
Dear Steens,

I experience some trouble with Checkelec when monitoring a long charge process and the duration exceeds the default 240 min x-axis time span. When I for instance monitor a balancing charge (see below), the display freezes after passing 246 minutes. Scrolling does not work, and the app has to be restarted in order to continue monitoring the charging process. 

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

I use a Samsung phone with the app.

Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steensonsdag 15. mai 2019, klokken 00:05
Is the app totally frozen or just the data monitoring ? Wasn't there another app interrupting Checkelec right at that time (an alarm or a phone call) ?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: CitroenSaxo2002onsdag 15. mai 2019, klokken 20:44
Hi

The app "worked", meaning that I could step back into the main screen and back into the monitoring screen, but no data was being refreshed. The only solution to continue recording was to quit the app, and restart it.

No phone calls or anything. The phone is in flight mode with only bluetooth enabled (no sim card either, its used only for checkelec).
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgeonsdag 18. september 2019, klokken 13:04
Hi Steens

I am still using your nice app since I still have 3 PSA EV's (2xSaxo&1xP106) and have 2 questions about possible improvements (easy or not?):

1. In the Android Bluetooth setting I have renamed the 3 OBDII/Bluetooth interfaces I have in my EV's in a hope that I would know which ODBII interfaces to connect to in Checkelec in the 3 EV's (Vgate in one of the cars and Prodiag in both the others). Unfortunately Checkelec does not recognize the edited names in the phone so all 3 ODBII interfaces just appear 3 times in the list as only OBDII. Is this possible or even easy to fix?

2. The 2 Prodiag interfaces I have work perfectly with my EV's and do not even need a button push on the interfaces to achieve reconnection the next time I go for a drive. My Vgate do however need to be disconnected and reconnected to the OBDII socket to be able to reconnect. The instructions indicate that pushing the units button should do the trick, but it actually do not work. Anyway I would prefer not to remove the cover over the OBDII socket every time I want to start Checkelec so I tried to find another Prodiag interface on ebay and several other places - but no luck. So I bought a low cost ELM 327 interface to try out since it looked like the Prodiag (at least the black plastic housing  ;D ). The ELM 327 connects fine to my phone but Checkelec does not find it. Is this easy/hard/impossible to fix?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmoonsdag 18. september 2019, klokken 21:37
Hi Helge. 
As I also own several PSAs I asked Steens about your first suggestion i the early stages of Checkelec, but i had some good explanation (which I dont remember) as to why this is very hard to achieve.

To your second question. My very first ELM worked all the time as your Prodiag. But it dies after just a few month >:(  Then I tried several, including one like in your top picture, which did not work at all. So then I ended up with two Vgates that has to be "restarted" each time. However I only have to push the button on them to awaken them
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Steenstorsdag 19. september 2019, klokken 09:04
Hello,
I don't remember either what the reason was for the first point. I have to check if it is possible to get the custom name list and display it instead. However, I'm now very busy for professional reasons (moved to Germany) and so there may be some time before I can investigate that.
For the second point, do you see the OBD in the list when selecting the OBD device ? Then what is the message sequence from Checkelec ? Does it manage to reach the OBD (yellow messages) or does it remain in search mode (blue messages) ?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgemandag 23. september 2019, klokken 09:21
For the second point I will have to check once more to be sure, but if I remember correctly Checkelec message turns yellow with the ELM 327 OBDII and diodes on the OBDII starts blinking. However the message does not eventually turn green with a successful connection.

This OBDII is paired with my phone and works fine  :) with an app that does not work with the old electric PSA's  :(
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Helgefredag 22. mai 2020, klokken 08:40
Får ikke opp Checkelec sin webside lenger. Det virker som den har vært nede i minst noen uker (kanskje lenger)?

Noen som vet noe jeg ikke vet?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmofredag 22. mai 2020, klokken 14:47
Kommer opp uten problem for meg.  Kanskje du må clear'e noe cash eller noe?
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Will_UKtirsdag 07. mars 2023, klokken 04:10
This looks great, thankyou! Berlingo Electrique not listed as one of the compatible vehicles (only Partner) but I think it should be listed.
Tittel: Sv: Checkelec
Skrevet av: Elmotirsdag 07. mars 2023, klokken 22:00
Correct.
Berlingo and Partner are from an electric point of view identical